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Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit by Byron Jacobs

Introduction 

I sat down with Byron Jacobs, author of “Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit” and a budding master of Xingyiquan (形意拳), a traditional Chinese martial art. Xingyiquan, often translated as “Form and Intent Boxing,” is a potent Chinese martial art characterized by its linear movements, explosive power, and harmonious blend of mind and body. Rooted in ancient Chinese philosophy and warfare strategies, it emphasizes the unity of internal energy (Qi 气) and external techniques, offering practitioners a deep, holistic approach to self-defense and personal development.

From his first judo lessons at the age of six to the bustling streets of Beijing, Byron’s journey is a story of passion, tradition, and evolution.

He spoke of brick-floored training grounds, the chill of cold water on tired muscles, and the delicate balance between athleticism and the profound cultural depths of traditional Chinese martial arts.

The tension between the age-old practices and the modern competitive sporting world was evident in his voice, yet his respect for tradition never wavered.

a photo of Byron Jacobs practicing Xingyiquan in China
Author of Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit Byron Jacobs

Our conversation wove through the political landscapes, touching on the resilience of martial artists during China’s Cultural Revolution. As he discussed his book, it became clear that it was more than just a publication; it was a bridge connecting the ancient wisdom of the Old Masters to contemporary enthusiasts.

By the end, I realized Byron Jacobs is more than a martial artist. He’s a historian, a storyteller, and a beacon for those seeking to understand the heart of Chinese martial arts and the people behind them.

Byron Jacobs’ Martial Arts Journey

“Martial arts, in general, has been something that I was kind of crazy about since I was a kid,” he began, crediting Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris movies as early inspirations. With a lineage of karate black belts in his family, the martial arts bug bit him early. But it was Bruce Lee‘s iconic moves that he yearned to emulate. Starting with judo at six, he remarked, “I think Judo is a good base for young kids, especially at that age when they’re not so conscious in terms of using their logical brain, but they’re very conscious with their physical bodies.”

Byron’s journey took a turn towards Chinese martial arts in his teens, where he was introduced to Wushu and a little-known, eclectic family system. His passion for Chinese culture was evident as he shared his experience attending a Chinese High School in his native land of South Africa. The allure of Jet Li’s “Once Upon a Time in China” further fueled his fascination, leading him to competitive Wushu. 

Byron was pivotal in establishing the national representative Federation for Chinese martial arts in South Africa. After retiring as a competitor, his understanding and expertise led him to roles as an international certified judge and a technical representative.

Di Guoyong

However, having always had one foot in practical, combat-oriented martial arts, Byron began questioning the alignment of the sport of Wushu with traditional practices. “Why am I flipping three times and landing like this and destroying my knees?” he pondered. His quest for authenticity led him to Xingyiquan, a traditional Chinese martial art, and to Di Guoyong, a teacher he found to be “clear and concise.” Byron’s respect for his teacher was palpable as he spoke of their 15-year journey together.

a photo of Byron Jacobs & Xingyiquan master Di Guyong
Byron poses with Di Guoyong

The conversation took a critical turn as Byron touched upon the political landscape of sport Wushu. “I don’t want to sound too negative about sport Wushu and competitive Wushu. But there’s no other way to put it: the more you refine your knowledge in the traditional side of things, the more you see the problems [with sport Wushu], right, and in hindsight, I had the deluded idea that I could make an impact and try to change the direction of sport to pull it back to a more sane middle ground. And honestly, I did make some headway, but the political side of things just… you can’t deal with it,” he lamented. 

Shanxi Ren Clan Seven Star Mantis

Diving deeper into Byron’s martial journey, I probed about his foundational training. “Well, at that point, when I was staying in the school, he taught two main systems,” Byron began, shedding light on a lesser-known Mantis system. “It’s called Shanxi Mantis as opposed to Shangdong mantis,” he clarified. This unique system, a blend of soft mantis with Xingyi concepts and a touch of Tai Chi, intrigued me. “Shanxi Ren Clan Seven Star Mantis,” he named it, emphasizing its distinctiveness from the commonly known Seven-Star system.

But it wasn’t just the art that captivated me; it was Byron’s dedication. “I used to train on brick floors,” he recalled, painting a vivid picture of his rigorous training regime. The rawness of his experience was palpable as he described the lack of equipment and the toll it took on his body. “We had no equipment, and I used to do some of those crazy things that you see you have to do for Wushu, but I was young and stupid. So I destroyed my body thinking that I could just… I mean, you can’t do that stuff on equipment without destroying your body. So you can imagine what I did to myself over those years on brick floors.”

His spartan living conditions mirrored his training’s intensity. “I was sleeping in the storeroom,” he shared, drawing parallels to scenes from a Shaolin Temple movie. The absence of luxuries like hot water didn’t deter him. “I used to wash myself every night out of a big bucket with cold water,” he added, emphasizing the character-building nature of his journey.

“A little ‘Chiku (吃苦)?’,” I remarked, using the Chinese term that translates to ‘eating bitterness’ or enduring hardship, a concept deeply ingrained in kung fu training. I nodded in admiration.

“Exactly,” Byron affirmed.

Love of The Game: Byron’s Martial Arts Odyssey

As our conversation flowed, I delved into Byron’s motivations for heading to the mainland. “I had wanted to pursue a little bit more of the professional side of Chinese Wushu,” Byron shared, revealing his aspirations to train in the very heart of the discipline. He spoke of his annual trips to Shi Cha Hai (什刹海体育学校) in Beijing, where the legendary Jet Li once trained, and his endeavors to join one of the professional teams.

Yet, as with many journeys, Byron’s path took unexpected turns. “After they changed the rules… that’s when I was like, yeah, no, no, thanks. This is pointless now,” he remarked, highlighting the evolving landscape of sport Wushu. His initial immersion in the “old school” Wushu, which had a more traditional essence, contrasted sharply with the newer, more commercialized version and its emphasis on set difficulties for different elements, similar to gymnastics.

Curious, I probed further, “Did you have any long-term plan… or did you do it just purely for the love of the sport?” Byron’s response was candid, “I never had a plan… I just wanted to practice; I just want to do it.”

Byron Jacobs, author of Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit, engages in Xingyiquan partner training in China.
Byron Jacobs, author of Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit, engages in Xingyiquan partner training in China.

He expressed his bemusement to those who entered martial arts with the primary goal of teaching. “Martial arts should live inside you and develop inside you first before you can give it to somebody else,” he opined. Nodding in agreement, I reflected on the reality many face in the West. “Even professional fighters (usually) die broke,” I pointed out, emphasizing the importance of pursuing martial arts for passion rather than profit.

Sport Wushu Vs Traditional Kung Fu

Byron’s journey through martial arts is one of passion, discipline, and self-discovery. As we delved deeper into his experiences, the contrast between movie-inspired dreams and the gritty reality of martial arts became evident. “You took your initial inspiration from Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris… then you very quickly got into some real stuff,” I remarked, highlighting the transition from cinematic allure to genuine combat.

Byron’s response was enlightening. “I’d always been more practically minded,” he began, emphasizing his focus on the combat essence of martial arts. Even while practicing the sport of Wushu, Byron’s approach was rooted in functionality. “Where should my hand be for defense?” he’d often ponder, ensuring every move had a practical purpose.

However, Byron also highlighted the stark divide between traditional martial arts and the official sport Wushu movement. “Traditional martial arts after the Cultural Revolution… became a thing that is completely separate to the official sports movement,” he explained. This disconnect is still evident today, with traditional practitioners often expressing disdain for sport Wushu, viewing it as a cartoonish, circus-inspired pantomime of their cherished arts.

Wushu vs Sanda

Amid our conversation, Byron recounted an episode from his time at the academy in South Africa. As he practiced, some newer Sanda trainees, unaware of his background in Sanda, scoffed at his Wushu techniques, doubting their combat effectiveness. Rising to the challenge, Byron invited them to spar, proving his point a bit too emphatically, leaving one with a week-long absence and another nursing a three-day headache. Despite his overwhelming victory that day, deep down, Byron admitted his aggressive response was a manifestation of his own insecurities about Wushu. He had always sensed the limitations of Wushu in real combat, and this incident was a reaction to that truth he had been trying to suppress. 

Byron, with a thoughtful expression, acknowledged the undeniable benefits of Wushu’s athletic nature, emphasizing the physical development it offers in terms of flexibility, speed, and strength. “There’s undeniable value in the athleticism Wushu brings,” he began, “but it shouldn’t be the entirety of one’s training.” He stressed the importance of a robust technical foundation regarding combat effectiveness. 

I nodded in agreement, recalling a recent conversation with Tim Cartmell. “Tim mentioned something similar,” I shared. “Regardless of the martial art style, when it comes down to actual combat, it’s fundamentally an athletic event. That athleticism, the explosiveness, the flexibility, it’s all crucial. But,” I paused for emphasis, “as I always say, strength is a supplement, not a substitute for skill.” 

The technical base remains paramount.

The Cultural Revolution & Kung Fu: A Complex Legacy

We delved into a topic that has long been a point of contention among martial arts enthusiasts: the impact of the Communist and Cultural Revolutions on Chinese martial arts on the mainland. 

It’s a subject that often evokes strong emotions and polarized opinions, with some arguing that these political upheavals decimated traditional martial arts. In contrast, others believe they had little to no effect.

Martial Arts in Revolutionary China

Byron shed light on the often misunderstood impact of these political upheavals on martial arts. “When somebody wants to say that the Cultural Revolution wiped out all Chinese martial arts in the mainland, that’s… a very simplistic and somewhat ignorant understanding,” he remarked. While the Cultural Revolution did bring about challenges, it didn’t erase the deep-rooted martial arts traditions. Many practitioners, especially in rural areas, continued their training in secret.

He shared a personal story about his teacher’s mentors, Zhao Zhong and Li Ziming, who had contrasting experiences during these times. Zhao Zhong faced persecution due to his political affiliations, while Li Ziming, thanks to his connections, was left relatively unscathed. “Li Ziming was practicing in the 60s… during the chaotic height of the Cultural Revolution. He never stopped training,” Byron revealed. 

A Tale of Two Chinas

Such stories underscore the dichotomy of life in mainland China, simultaneously the “Wild West,” as Byron put it, within a dystopian, totalitarian state.

Byron also touched upon the post-revolutionary era, highlighting the gradual shift in public perception of martial arts. “In the sense of the public’s perception, it’s changed tremendously since then,” he noted. The government, recognizing the cultural value of martial arts, began to use it as a tool for Chinese “soft power,” attracting tourists dollars and a rising sense of nationalism. This shift, however, has its own set of implications, which only time will reveal.

One particularly evocative story Byron shared was the first public baishi ceremony after the Cultural Revolution. 

“Baishi” (拜师) is a traditional Chinese ceremony where a student formally becomes a disciple of a martial arts master. In Chinese martial arts culture, the baishi ritual signifies a deep commitment between the teacher and student, establishing a bond akin to a parent-child relationship. This ceremony underscores the student’s dedication to the art and the master’s responsibility to impart knowledge. It’s a revered tradition, marking a significant milestone in a martial artist’s journey.

Despite the uncertainties and potential risks, Li Ziming and his disciples, including Byron’s teacher, proceeded with the ceremony. “They did it. It was publicly known. And nothing happened, thankfully,” Byron said. This event marked a turning point, signaling a return to some semblance of normalcy.

Drawing a parallel with basketball in America, Byron concluded, “Chinese martial arts in China is so widespread, and for the majority of people training at the parks, it’s just a hobby and a bit of fun exercise. But if you look deep enough, you’ll find people that are very skilled, very serious, carrying a tradition and knowledge on from before those times.” 

Enter The Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit

Deciphering the Classics of Xingyiquan

I could have spent all day talking with Byron. His passion for the subject was palpable as he discussed his book, “Dragon Body, Tiger’s Spirit,” which seeks to illuminate the classics of Xingyiquan for a modern audience.

“The main part of the book is the classics,” Byron began, emphasizing the extensive nature of the Xingyiquan corpus. He mentioned various texts, such as the “Three Sections,” “Four Extremities,” and “Yuefei’s Nine Essentials Treatises,” which are universally recognized within the Xingyiquan community.

Byron’s approach to translating these classics is unique. “The essence of my translation is not to be a direct translation but to get the meaning and translate that so you understand what they’re trying to tell you,” he explained.

This method ensures that readers grasp the deeper insights of the texts rather than getting lost in direct and often confusing, more literal translations.

A particular point of interest was the Neigong Sijing (內功四经), a text from the Song family. “The Neigong Sijing is in the book, although… it only came into the public purview about 100 years ago,” Byron shared. This text, rich in Chinese medical and philosophical theory, is not exclusively tied to Xingyiquan. Its origins remain shrouded in mystery, and its relevance to martial practice is debated.

The Power of Notetaking

In the midst of our conversation, I posed a question to Byron, seeking to understand the driving force behind his book. “What’s your purpose for writing the book? What do you hope to accomplish with it?” I asked, genuinely curious.

Byron’s response was a journey into the heart of traditional martial arts teaching. “The book initially wasn’t started as me trying to write a book,” he began, explaining that it was a culmination of his deep dive into ancient martial texts. He painted a vivid picture of his teacher, a figure from an older generation who seamlessly blended physical instruction with classical theory. “While teaching you, they recite the quanpu by heart.”  

“Quanpu” (拳谱) refers to the martial arts manuals or classics in Chinese martial arts. These written texts document the techniques, principles, philosophies, and histories of various martial arts styles. Quanpu play a significant role in the preservation and transmission of martial arts knowledge in China.

In traditional Chinese martial arts, oral transmission was the primary method of passing down knowledge from one generation to the next. However, as martial arts evolved and became more complex, there was a need to document this knowledge in a more structured and permanent form. This led to the creation of quanpu.

These manuals often include detailed illustrations of techniques, stances, and forms, accompanied by poetic verses or prose that describe the movements and their applications. The language used in quanpu is often symbolic and metaphorical, requiring interpretation and guidance from a knowledgeable teacher to fully understand and apply.

Your Pen Remembers

Bryon recalled his early days with his teacher, a meticulous learner who emphasized the importance of notetaking. “Where’s your pen and your notebook?” his teacher had asked during their first session. Byron chuckled, “I thought we were training.” But his teacher was adamant, “You won’t remember, but your pen remembers. So write that down.” This practice became a cornerstone of Byron’s learning process, resulting in piles of notebooks filled with wisdom.

Byron’s narrative took a nostalgic turn as he spoke of his teacher’s handwritten copies of the classics, a testament to a time when resources were scarce. “His teacher was illiterate,” Byron revealed, highlighting the challenges faced by the older generation. The classics, often rhyming and rhythmic in Chinese, were designed for oral transmission, catering to an illiterate audience.

I nodded in understanding, “Oral histories first.” This oral tradition, rooted in the rhythms and rhymes of the texts, was crucial for memorization, especially when many were illiterate. Byron, following his teacher’s footsteps, meticulously documented his learnings, gradually building a wealth of knowledge over the years.

The decision to transform these notes into a book was partly fueled by the need to clarify misunderstandings about classical texts in online forums and discussions. Locked into his neighborhood by the government, the plan-demic gave Byron the time to refine his notes further, leading to the eventual publication of his book.

Unlocking The Secrets of The Old Masters

Byron’s work is not just a translation; it’s an expansion and interpretation based on his evolving understanding of Xingyiquan. He acknowledges that while his book covers the generally accepted classics, it only encompasses some obscure texts. Through his translations, he noticed a pattern of repetition and expansion in the classics, indicating a generational layering of knowledge.

The quanpu, as Byron explains, were never intended for mass publication. They were personal notes, evolving instructions passed down through generations, expanding in theoretical content. This historical progression is evident in how concepts from earlier texts reappear and are elaborated in later ones.

Byron’s book, therefore, is more than a translation; it’s a testament to the living, breathing tradition of martial arts, where each generation contributes to the collective wisdom. His work underscores the importance of understanding the theoretical underpinnings of Xingyiquan, which he believes is essential for true mastery of the art.

a photo of Bryon Jacobs demonstrating Baguazhang
In addition to authoring his book “Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit,” Byron offers online instruction in Baguazhang & Xingyiquan.

The Relevance of Traditional Martial Arts in a Modern World

In a rapidly evolving world, the relevance of traditional martial arts in the 21st century might seem questionable or anachronistic to some. However, as I delved deeper into my conversation with Byron, it became evident that the essence of these arts goes beyond mere combat techniques.

Byron began by emphasizing the value of immersing oneself in a culture different from one’s own. “The study of a culture that’s not your own is beneficial to anybody,” he stated. This broadens horizons, offering a fresh perspective and a critical lens to view both the studied culture and one’s own. Through his book and the study of the classics, Byron highlighted how traditional Chinese martial arts offer a rich cultural experience, providing insights into Chinese philosophy and way of life.

But Can You Fight With It?

But what about the martial aspect? Byron was clear: “If you’re doing a martial art with no combat value, you’re not doing a martial art.” While acknowledging the undeniable martial essence, he also pointed out that traditional martial arts encompass more than just combat techniques. “We do Xingyiquan, we have big spears, we have swords… So you might ask yourself, why do that? Well, because it’s fun,” he remarked. The skills acquired from practicing with weapons, though not directly applicable in today’s world, can be transferred to other areas of life, including barehanded martial arts.

a photo of Byron Jacobs training Xingyiquan spear with his teacher Di Guoyong

Byron also touched upon the importance of tradition. In a world where traditions are rapidly fading, he believes in their significance and the value they bring to individuals and societies. “Traditions are important. And continuing traditions are important,” he asserted. Handing down traditions not only enriches one’s life but also the lives of future generations.

Physical benefits aside, Byron emphasized the spiritual and psychological aspects of martial arts. Practices like Xingyiquan and Baguazhang focus on introspection and psychological development. “You’re directly working on psychological aspects, which I think are very important and very beneficial to your own development,” he concluded.

Bridging Cultures Through Martial Arts

Byron and I delved into the complexities of so-called “cultural appropriation,” especially in martial arts. “What the hell is cultural appropriation?” Byron exclaimed. He argued that culture is learned, not inherited. “If you’ve put in the time to learn that culture, then that culture is technically yours,” he said. This perspective resonated with me. Having dedicated two decades to Chinese martial arts, I’ve often grappled with my place in this ancient tradition as a “gweilo” (鬼佬, i.e., foreigner). Yet, as Byron pointed out, “If you’re learning Chinese martial arts, and it’s become part of your soul, that culture is yours, irrespective of the skin on your body.”

Byron’s words struck a chord. He emphasized that no one owns culture. Instead of gatekeeping, we should celebrate the exchange and sharing of traditions. This sentiment echoed my earlier thoughts on the depth and richness of Chinese martial arts. The intricate body of work offers profound insights into understanding oneself, both physically and mentally. 

Our conversation then circled back to preserving tradition in an increasingly digital world. As automation and technology advance, there’s a widening gap between age-old traditions and contemporary life. “The more people in general we have that are trying to keep alive some of these traditions as much as they can, probably for the better,” I mused.

In essence, our dialogue underscored the universality of martial arts. Beyond physical techniques, they serve as a bridge between cultures, fostering understanding and appreciation. In a world that often feels fragmented, traditions like these can help weave the threads of connection.

Conclusion

Byron Jacobs’ journey through martial arts and his dedication to preserving the essence of traditional Chinese martial arts in the modern world is nothing short of inspiring. 

His passion for Xingyiquan was palpable. “I find the overwhelming spirit and intent that you develop when you’re doing Xingyi to be something that is… Maybe it’s a bit addictive,” he mused. While he cherished his Bagua practice, Xingyi held a special place in his heart and daily routine.

Byron’s insights offered a window into the intricate world of martial arts, where choices aren’t just about techniques but resonate with personal journeys, philosophies, and life lessons. His deep understanding and respect for the culture, history, and philosophy behind the art is evident in his book, “Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit.” Through his work, he serves as a bridge connecting the wisdom of the Old Masters with contemporary enthusiasts, shedding light on the profound depths of Chinese martial arts. For those intrigued by Chinese martial arts, “Dragon Body, Tiger’s Spirit” promises a deep and enlightening journey.

Byron is not just a martial artist; he is a historian, a storyteller, and a beacon for those seeking to understand the heart of martial arts. His commitment to authenticity, his relentless pursuit of knowledge, and his unwavering love for the art make him a true embodiment of a living master.


Connect With Byron

For those looking to delve deeper into the martial arts wisdom of Byron Jacobs, you can connect with him through various platforms. Explore his insights and teachings on his YouTube Channel, Mushin Martial Culture. To learn more about his philosophy and access a broader spectrum of content, visit his website. Byron’s book “Dragon Body, Tiger Spirit” is available for purchase on Amazon.

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Funker Tactical & The Art of Pekiti Tirsia Kali

Introduction To Funker Tactical

Bridging Tactical Concepts with Martial Arts

Dive into an enlightening dialogue between myself and Paulo Rubio, the prodigious expert in the Filipino Martial Art of Pekiti Tirsia Kali. Currently operating out of Toronto, Canada, Paulo’s journey in martial arts began when he was merely 14 years old. Today, he is the genius behind the YouTube sensation Funker Tactical, a channel that has magnetized over a million subscribers.

Beyond his digital success, Paulo’s recent years have been deeply engrossed in Filipino Martial Arts, especially the nuanced knife and single-stick combat techniques. Through his vast experiences, Paulo endeavors to create a harmonious blend of tactical concepts with Modern Combat Systems, age-old martial arts, and the dynamic world of combat sports.

Paulo Rubio demonstrates Pekiti Tersia Kali
GN Funker Tactical mastermind Paulo Rubio.
Image credit: Paulo Rubio via Instagram

A video from the YouTube sensation Funker Tactical. As an advocate for effective self-defense, I’m a BIG fan of all things tacti-cool!

How did a 14-year-old’s curiosity evolve into a profound understanding of the intricate Filipino Martial Art of Pekiti Tirsia Kali? What drives Paulo Rubio to bridge the gap between traditional martial arts and modern combat systems? And with over a million subscribers on his YouTube channel, what secrets does Paulo share about the dedication and discipline martial arts demand?

An Unconventional Path to Filipino Martial Arts

“I’ve taken a somewhat strange path,” Paulo began, his words painting a picture of a spirit gripped by the intricate art of combat yet never tethered to a single doctrine or guru. His journey, devoid of regularly scheduled classes or allegiance to one system, was a testament to his belief in a Socratic, artistic, and explorative approach to learning martial arts. “Pekiti Tirsia is my base. It’s what I found to resonate with me,” he shared, revealing a connection beyond mere physical practice.

Paulo’s path was carved by traveling, seeking wisdom from various masters, and engaging in as many fights as possible – a trial by fire, as he put it. His learning was not confined to the theoretical or the traditional; it was raw, real, and forged in the crucible of actual combat, albeit in a controlled environment. “As I travel the world, I get in as many fights as I can, and stick fighting and knife fighting,” he explained, his journey punctuated by encounters with various forms and masters, from Kalisi to Illustrisimo.

Yet, his approach to teaching and learning was not haphazard. It was, in fact, deeply rooted in respect for tradition and a keen understanding of the commonalities that bind various martial arts forms together. Paulo’s method involved identifying and weaving these common threads into coherent, applicable knowledge that could be adapted and personalized to each student’s unique background and skills. “I take the Filipino Martial Arts principles and concepts, and I teach it in a way that respects tradition, for sure, but also in a way that is specialized to the student,” he elucidated.

Humility & Exploration

His words echoed a philosophy that was both humble and profound. Paulo does not see himself as a master but as a perpetual student, always learning and evolving. His journey was not just about the tradition of martial arts but also a practical and philosophical exploration that sought to bridge tactical concepts and modern combat systems with traditional martial arts and combat sports.

As our conversation unfolded, it became evident that Paulo Rubio’s journey was not merely a personal quest for mastery but a broader mission to explore, understand, and share the boundless depths of martial arts. His story, documented meticulously through videos and shared with the world, was not just his own but a reflection of the infinite, complex, and beautifully chaotic world of martial arts.

Paulo Rubio wearing a Pekiti Tirsia Tactical Association t-shirt.
Funker Tactical, aka Paulo Rubio represents the Pekiti Tirsia Tactical Association brand.
Image credit: Paulo Rubio via Instagram

Bridging the Gap: Integrating Tactical and Traditional Martial Arts

The Intersection of Tactical Training and Martial Arts

Paulo’s entry into the tactical world was not through conventional military or law enforcement service routes but through a serendipitous connection and a genuine desire to help a friend.

“There was a friend of mine; his name is Chris,” Paulo began, his words painting a poignant picture of a combat veteran returning from Afghanistan, grappling with the unseen wounds of war. With his storytelling, filming, and editing skills, Paulo sought to help Chris find purpose and community by sharing his story. “Let’s meet up, tell your story, and share it with others. And see if, you know, there’s a community we can build around this,” he recalled of their initial endeavors.

This act of friendship and storytelling unexpectedly propelled Paulo into a world populated by soldiers, combat veterans, and law enforcement officers. His ability to resonate with the tactical community through his storytelling found him navigating through environments and learning from subject matter experts many seldom encounter. “I just found myself in a lot of crazy environments, learning from a variety of different experts,” he shared.

Paulo’s journey into the tactical realm is deeply intertwined with ethical considerations and respect for operational and individual security.

Funker Tactical firearms training
Image Credit: Paulo Rubio

“I have stacks of hard drives of unreleased material, just because some of the units that I’ve filmed training with the subject matter experts that I found, I can’t post it up for OpSec, or personal security reasons, or it’s just not ethically right to publish it,” he explained.

The Philosophical and Practical Aspects of Pekiti Tirsia Kali

Embracing the Chaos: The Philosophy and Principles of Pekiti Tirsia Kali

“Pekiti Tirsia is very heavy on distance management, fueled by really aggressive footwork,” he began, painting a picture of a system that is not only physically demanding but also technically and tactically profound. It’s a system that doesn’t seek to control chaos but rather curates it, acknowledging the myriad ways conflict can unfold. “There’s a million ways that two knives can clash. Two swords can clash,” he mused, hinting at the boundless complexity and the inherent unpredictability of the martial art.

Pekiti Tirsia Kali, as Paulo described, is not merely a martial art but a comprehensive system that has found its place in the training regimes of the force recon Marines, intertwining traditional martial arts concepts with modern combative applications. “It’s a super community,” he noted. He emphasized a collective as committed to pressure testing and evolution as respecting tradition and engaging in the blurred lines between hard sparring and fighting in the mutual pursuit of operational success.

The Pekiti Tirsia Tactical Association, to which Paulo belongs, was founded by Tuhon Jared Wihongi, a SWAT operator and a figure who has seamlessly woven together traditional and modern combative elements. “He has found a way to delineate but also integrate traditional concepts with a modern combatives program,” Paulo shared, revealing respect for a man who has distilled various martial arts forms into the TRICOM system, a defensive tactics and force integration system that encompasses elements of wrestling, jujitsu, boxing, Muay Thai, and, of course, Pekiti Tirsia Kali.

Dance of The Blade: Pekiti Tirsia in the Heart of the Philippines

I asked Paulo about how Filipino culture influenced Pekiti Tirsia and why Filipino culture consistently emphasized the importance of the blade in their traditional martial arts when other arts, like traditional jujitsu, abandoned the premise of armed attackers over time.

Paulo began to weave a narrative that bridged the martial art with the rich, tumultuous history of the Philippines. “We were a conquered nation multiple times over,” he began, echoing the resilience and resistance permeating the archipelago’s history. The blade, ever-present in Filipino martial arts, is not merely a weapon but a symbol of a persistent insurgency against colonization and a practical tool in the agrarian and sometimes lawless landscapes of rural areas. “There’s agriculture, and some places don’t have a police force,” Paulo noted, hinting at a Wild West mentality where mutual respect is forged from the understanding that everyone is potentially armed.

Pekiti Tirsia Kali, deeply rooted in this bladed culture, is also informed by the tribal nature of Filipino society. The martial art doesn’t merely prepare one to face a single opponent but assumes a scenario where multiple armed adversaries are the norm. “Our footwork and trajectory changes,” Paulo explained, “really comes from this founding philosophy that we’re not just fighting one person. We’re fighting multiple opponents, and they’re all armed.”

Nature or Nurture?

As our conversation meandered through the dense metaphorical jungles of the Philippines, I pondered the influence of the physical environment on the martial art. Paulo acknowledged the validity of this, citing the adaptability of Pekiti Tirsia Kali to various environments, from the narrow streets of Manila to the muddy, sandy terrains of the jungle. Yet, he emphasized a universality in its concepts – mobility, and adaptability – and a belief in its applicability in any environment.

Pekiti Tirsia Kali, as Paulo eloquently put it, is “the art of the living past in modern times.” It’s a martial art that honors its roots while pulsating vibrantly in the present; adaptable, and capable of being learned proficiently in a relatively short time. “Give me four weeks, and I’ll get you proficient and fighting in it,” Paulo declared, underscoring a belief in the martial art’s practicality, its immediate applicability, and its enduring relevance in a world that, much like the art itself, continues to evolve and adapt.

The Stick and the Sword: Nuances of Filipino Martial Arts

Paulo and I delved into a topic that has sparked many a heated debate in the Filipino martial arts community: the stick versus the sword. “Yes. And no,” Paulo began, addressing my query about whether the stick is merely a stand-in for training with a live blade. He elucidated that while the rattan stick can be a placeholder for the sword or machete in specific contexts, it also holds its own identity in stick fighting. “In one moment, I’m like, Okay, I’m stick fighting because that’s super primal and awesome. So I’m just stick fighting. And then I’ll take a moment on the next clash. And I’d be like, I’m going to respect this as a placeholder for the blade,” he shared, revealing the fluidity he navigates between perceiving the stick as a weapon in its own right and as a surrogate for the blade.

Principle-Based Learning

The Transferability of Techniques in Pekiti Tirsia

Navigating the intricate world of Filipino Martial Arts (FMA), Paulo and I found ourselves entwined in a discussion about teaching and learning methodology within the art form. “I do it concurrently,” Paulo asserted when I probed whether he introduces stick techniques before transitioning a student to a knife or teaches them simultaneously. His philosophy leans heavily into principle-based learning, a method that, in his words, ensures that “as long as the lessons adhere and are congruent with those same principles,” a myriad of techniques can be introduced without overwhelming the student.

Paulo’s approach to teaching FMA is not without its critiques of the broader community. He was skeptical about the philosophy of transferability of skill prevalent in FMA, cautioning against viewing it as a “magic pill.” He elaborated, “Some people who, you know, wave sticks around in the air think that all of a sudden, they got hands, like they can throw down with hands.” His words hint at a critical perspective that challenges practitioners to not merely rely on the transference of skills from one weapon to another but fully immerse themselves in the unique demands and training methodologies each tool requires.

The conversation took a deeper dive as Paulo highlighted a potential pitfall in FMA’s approach to empty-hand techniques, critiquing the tendency to apply the same drill and technique-oriented approach used for weapons to unarmed combat. “With empty hands, I believe in a different separate approach first before we integrate that in,” he shared, emphasizing the importance of establishing a solid foundation in basic boxing before integrating more complex, FMA-specific handwork.

Unveiling the Curriculum of Pekiti Tirsia Kali

Paulo and I delved deeper into the intricate tapestry of Pekiti Tirsia Kali, exploring its curriculum and the philosophical underpinnings that guide its teachings. “It’s four fundamentals,” Paulo began, laying out a seemingly simple foundation that belies the depth and complexity of the martial arts. He emphasized the role of drills that challenge practitioners, not just physically but mentally, honing their “timing, decision making under stress,” and various attributes like “speed, power, timing, precision,” and notably, “grip strength.

Paulo’s approach to teaching beginners in Pekiti Tirsia is refreshingly straightforward: “five strikes, all footwork models, and one or two defenses.” Yet, he cautioned against becoming too ensnared in the allure of flow drills, which, while fun, carry “a high rate of diminishing return” if they become too rote, too rehearsed, and cease to challenge the practitioner.

The conversation took a fascinating turn as we explored the documentation and transmission of Pekiti Tirsia’s curriculum. Paulo shared insights into the unique journey of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje, the sole grand Tuhon of the system, who traveled globally, imparting teachings often tailored to his student’s strengths and capabilities. This has led to a rich, albeit somewhat fragmented, body of knowledge within the Pekiti Tirsia community, where different regions and even individual tuhons may possess specialized knowledge in various subsystems of the art.

Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje & Paulo Rubio
Posing with the Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje
Image credit: Paulo Rubio

While the system is “codified,” with commendable documentation by figures like Bill McGrath and various instructors, Paulo acknowledged the inherent challenge in fully encapsulating the totality of Pekiti Tirsia Kali. Different branches within the Pekiti Tirsia family tree have their own “interpretation and philosophies and flavor,” and practitioners may find themselves on a lifelong journey exploring just one aspect of the art.

Mysticism and Modernity

The Unseen Layers of Pekiti Tirsia Kali Training

As Paulo and I continued our dialogue, the conversation took an unexpected yet intriguing turn toward the mystical aspects embedded within Pekiti Tirsia Kali. “There are still parts of it that are rooted in mysticism,” Paulo revealed, introducing me to the concept of “oroshon’s,” described as magic spells, and “anting anting,” amulets and symbols that supposedly render warriors impervious to blade strikes. “The power of belief is compelling. It’s powerful,” he mused, acknowledging a sliver of openness to these cultural practices despite their seemingly supernatural nature.

Our discussion then then navigated back towards the physical, exploring unconventional training methods within the martial art. Paulo shared vivid images of practitioners waist-deep in the ocean, practicing lateral strikes against the water, slapping coconut trees and rocks to condition their bodies. These methods, deeply rooted in the physicality and environment of the Philippines, offered a stark contrast to the mystical elements previously discussed.

However, the conversation took a critical turn when we broached the topic of live blade training. Paulo expressed an evident skepticism towards this practice, stating, “Live blade training outside of solo training is kind of ridiculous, in my opinion.” He emphasized that when two people train with live blades, their primary objective becomes avoiding injuring their partner, which is “contrary to what we’re actually trying to do.” Our discussion highlighted a tension between traditional practices and modern sensibilities, particularly when considering the availability of modern training tools that offer realistic feedback without the inherent risks of live blade training.

Advice For Beginners

The Pitfalls of Rank and Ego in Martial Arts

I leaned into a favorite topic that’s often overlooked but crucial for anyone venturing into martial arts: common mistakes beginners make.

“It’s that instant gratification,” Paulo said. “Wanting the next thing without mastering the basics. And rank chasing. Feeling validated by that rank, giving up your freedom to some [guru] who might not have your best interests in mind.” He emphasized the danger of external validation, suggesting that martial artists look instead outside their organization. “Maybe I practice karate, but I also test my skills with friends in a garage. My validation comes from experience, not just a rank.”

I nodded, adding, “It’s a drawback in traditional martial arts. People identify with their rank; they make it their personality, and they’re afraid of losing face.” I contrasted this with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, where tapping out is part of the training, keeping the ego in check. “There’s no better way to stay humble than losing on a regular basis.”

Paulo agreed, pointing out the unique challenges in Filipino martial arts. “We deal with blades. People want certainties, and there’s always someone ready to offer them. Many stop sparring and stop testing themselves. They don’t adapt as they age, resting on past achievements.”

Finding Your Best Path: Proximity and Passion

Paulo’s response was both practical and insightful when asked for tips on how beginners can find the right martial art for them. “Take the martial art closest to your home,” he began, emphasizing the importance of making practice sustainable over the long term. It’s a simple yet profound point. The closer the dojo or gym, the more likely you are to stick with it, to immerse yourself in the practice, and to honestly give it a chance.

But what if you’re spoiled for choice, with a plethora of martial arts schools at your fingertips? Paulo’s advice was clear: “Take trial classes.” But more than the techniques taught or trophies on display, he stressed the significance of the community. “Really scrutinize and examine the community, the people there,” he advised. It’s the people, the camaraderie, and the shared passion that can truly make or break one’s martial arts journey.

Paulo’s words resonated with me. Too often, we place undue expectations on martial arts, hoping it will be a panacea for all our woes. Yet, at its core, martial arts is about passion, discipline, and community. “Find something that you enjoy,” Paulo urged, a sentiment I wholeheartedly echo. And if all else fails? “The short answer is jujitsu,” he quipped with a chuckle. It’s hard to argue with that.

Conclusion

Paulo’s journey in the world of martial arts has been nothing short of remarkable. From a young boy’s curiosity to becoming the genius behind the YouTube sensation Funker Tactical, Paulo’s dedication to bridging traditional martial arts with modern combat systems is truly inspiring. His innovative path, filled with travels, seeking wisdom from various masters, and engaging in numerous fights, showcases his commitment to an empirical yet artistic and explorative approach to learning martial arts. Paulo’s teachings emphasize principle-based learning, ensuring techniques are introduced without overwhelming the student. His insights into the unconventional aspects of Pekiti Tirsia Kali, combined with his practical advice for beginners, offer a comprehensive and nuanced view of martial arts.

In conclusion, I am profoundly grateful to Paulo for sharing his wisdom and experiences. His dedication to the art of Pekiti Tirsia Kali and his efforts to reconcile traditional and modern tactical martial arts are commendable.


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Tim Cartmell | From Kung Fu Nerd To BJJ Superstar

Tim Cartmell

East Meets West: A Journey To Mastery 

Tim Cartmell is a martial arts maestro with a journey that spans continents, styles, and decades. Where tradition meets modernity, Tim stands as a bridge between ancient practices and contemporary combat sports; he is a renowned martial artist and author known for his expertise in Chinese martial arts and achievements in Brazilian Jiujitsu, with several influential books to his name and numerous championships in submission grappling. From the quiet discipline of Taiwan’s traditional Kung Fu schools to the adrenaline-charged world of Brazilian Jiujitsu, Cartmell’s story is one of passion and a relentless pursuit of mastery. 

The Old Masters guarded their secrets closely, revealing them only to a chosen few, so the journey to mastery is rarely straightforward. Cartmell’s experiences offer a unique perspective on the evolution of a modern martial arts master. But how did he bridge the gap between these diverse disciplines of traditional martial arts and modern combat sports? What challenges did he face, and what drove him to embrace such varied forms of combat? And perhaps most intriguingly, what can we learn from his experiences that might reshape our own pursuit of martial arts? 

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Tim Cartmell’s Humble Beginnings

“I started in a Chinese martial arts style called Kung Fu San Soo (功夫散手) when I was just a boy,” Tim began. His soft-spoken voice and mild mannerisms hide his deadly abilities. Beneath his slender frame lay a deep well of fighting expertise. The transition from San Soo to the “internal styles” of martial arts was a quest for deeper understanding; he explained, “The idea of maximizing your body power, the intent and those kinds of things… it seemed very developed in the internal styles,” an assessment I completely agree with.

There’s a certain magnetism to the old tales of martial artists who, in search of mastery, make the pilgrimage to distant lands. Tim Cartmell took me on one such odyssey. “I was getting out of college. And I decided I wanted to further my training, and I wanted to travel.” 

Tim’s inspiration drew from Robert Smith’s classic books. “I’d read Smith’s books, like ‘Masters and Methods‘ and was very interested in…going back to China to train, you know, at the source kind of thing,” he shared. Surprisingly, despite being deeply invested in martial arts, he had “never seen any of the internal styles live,” apart from a fleeting Tai Chi demo. 

Iron Sharpens Iron – Tim’s Time In Taiwan

Tim Cartmell’s experiences in Taiwan unravel like silk delicately drawn from a cocoon, interspersed with dedication and serendipitous meetings. I probed, “So, who did you primarily train with during your time in Taiwan?” Tim took a moment, memories flooding back, “I had quite a few teachers.” He began detailing his experiences, notably with Xu Hongji in Shenlong Tang Shou Dao Xingyi (神龍唐手道 形意拳). This wasn’t just any school – it was a fight school, giving Tim an immersive dive into San Da (散打) tournaments.


What Is San Da?

I often like to describe San Da as “3/4 MMA.” It ingeniously combines the rich legacy of Chinese martial arts with the modern demands of full-contact fighting. While emphasizing strikes, takedowns, and throws, it stops short of the ground-fighting element commonly found in full mixed martial arts. This unique fusion offers fighters a space where traditional Kung Fu techniques meet contemporary combat sports’ intense, fast-paced arena.

Throughout my journey in the martial arts world, I’ve had the privilege of competing in San Da tournaments throughout the US. San Da stands out as a stellar ruleset; it crafts fast-paced bouts that are exhilarating for both the fighters and spectators alike. A unique aspect of these tournaments is the “lei tai” (擂台) — a raised platform on which the combat takes place. The absence of ropes or cages introduces an additional strategic element: fighters can win not just by strikes or throws but also by pushing their opponent off the platform, adding another layer of excitement to an already thrilling contest.

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He painted a vivid picture: “The training was very…there was a lot of conditioning, and then we did the traditional Xingyi.” The element of sparring stood out – they sparred in every class, constantly pushing their limits. His voice hinted at a fond nostalgia when he spoke about the school’s emphasis on sparring and competition, a combination not frequently found in traditional martial arts training.

Tim’s story turned poignant as he revealed Xu Hongji’s passing after just a few months. But, true to his commitment, Tim continued for another three years under Xu’s son, deepening his roots in the same esteemed lineage. “I’d never seen a Xingyi class or a Bagua group before I went,” he confessed, underscoring his leap into the unknown with an insatiable thirst for authentic martial arts.

As he delved further, names like Chen Zuozhen, Lin Ahlong, and Luo Dexiu rolled off his tongue, painting a vibrant picture of masters and styles that contributed to his evolution. His encounter with Dan Miller opened doors to the mainland, where he connected with famed martial artists, notably Liang Kequan. 

My eyes were drawn to an exquisite calligraphy piece adorning his backdrop. “I was gonna ask you if that calligraphy on the wall was by Liang Kequan?” I inquired. 

Tim shook his head with a soft smile, “No, this is Sun Zhijun. He was widely recognized as the greatest living Bagua master and also a master calligrapher.” Although Tim’s sessions with Sun were limited, he commissioned a piece of art from the legendary figure. “That’s my favorite poem,” Tim mused, nodding towards the artwork. 

From Kung Fu San Soo to Modern Fighting Techniques

When Tim Cartmell first stepped foot in Taiwan, he was, by all accounts, a stranger in a strange land. With no grasp of Mandarin, he was led only by his indomitable passion for martial arts. “I couldn’t speak any Chinese yet,” he admitted.

Tim’s first meeting with Xu Hongji, a revered name, bore the nostalgic essence of old-school Kung Fu movies. Tim recalled, “He told me he didn’t really teach new students anymore.” Yet, as a test of Tim’s commitment, the master invited him to join his “morning exercise” sessions at Yuan Shan. And so began Tim’s initiation.

It started with foundational exercises under another instructor, gradually transitioning into lessons directly from Xu. “One day, he said this is Pi Quan, and he showed me the first form,” Tim reminisced, a tone of gratitude evident.

Tim’s response was casual when I pressed him about the school’s emphasis on strength and conditioning. The students underwent rigorous routines, including fu hu gong (伏虎功) derived from judo. Long and grueling classes involved warm-ups, judo-derived exercises, standing postures, forms, and sparring.

Beyond Xu Hongji, Tim’s journey in Taiwan connected him with several notable martial artists. Luo Dexiu, a name I was familiar with, stood out. However, it was Chen Zhouzhen who piqued my curiosity. Tim described him as an influential figure who introduced him to Hebei Xingyiquan and an older, medium-frame version of Yang Taiji.

Venturing Into The Heartland of Kung Fu

The journey to mastery is seldom linear. Such was the story of Tim Cartmell, who took a serendipitous detour into mainland China inspired by an unplanned connection. “So I traveled there a couple of times,” he began, emphasizing that his initial ventures into China were solely exploratory.

Meeting Dan Miller, the man behind the well-researched Bagua Journal, changed everything for Tim. Miller’s search for a translator collided with Tim’s by now, linguistic prowess and interest. “Dan came and was looking for a translator,” he revealed. Their subsequent travels exposed Tim to the inner circles of China’s martial arts landscape, where traditions, skills, and legacies intertwine.

With his deep connections, Miller provided Tim access to many of the biggest names practicing traditional arts on the mainland. It was this newfound exposure that anchored Tim’s resolve. “That’s when I met the teachers and decided to go to the mainland and train,” he reflected.

While Tim’s time on the mainland wasn’t continuous, it was intense and transformative. “I’d stay for a couple of months, then go back and work and train. I did that a couple of times a year for about five years,” he detailed. The ebb and flow of his visits became a rhythm, with each return deepening his understanding and refining his skills.

Such intermittent immersions highlight the dynamic and unpredictable pathways martial arts can guide a practitioner down. Each journey, each connection, serves as a stepping stone, further embedding the spirit of the art in the practitioner.

Gracie In Action Tape: Tim’s Introduction to BJJ

If ever there was a testament to life’s serendipitous moments steering our course, it’s Tim Cartmell’s chance discovery of Brazilian Jiujitsu (BJJ) in a random bookstore. 

Flipping through an early 90s issue of Black Belt magazine, an obscure ad in the back caught Tim’s eye. “Brazilian Jiujitsu…real fights.” Curious and slightly skeptical, he bought the Gracie In Action tape depicted in the ad. The raw realness of the fights and the evident strategy behind them resonated with him. “I had a little wrestling experience…most fights end up on the ground,” Tim mused. 

His enthusiasm soon spread to an old friend, a formidable bouncer and San Soo fighter from Texas. Skeptical at first, his friend later took on the Gracie challenge, ending up in a quick, humbling submission by the legendary Rickson Gracie.

Tim Cartmell after winning a submission grappling match

His change of heart was complete, culminating in him training rigorously in BJJ and becoming an instructor. Afterward, he told Tim, “You know, I took one look at Rickson, And I knew I was in trouble.” “But,” he said, “in my wildest dreams. I had no idea how fast I would lose.”

Back in Taiwan, Tim’s commitment to Jiujitsu only deepened. The first UFC event proved a pivotal moment. Tim recalled, “I said the skinny Brazilian kid will win, and everyone laughed.” The world soon stopped laughing as BJJ’s efficacy was showcased for all to see.

By the time he returned to California in ’94, BJJ was taking the US by storm. Tim trained under various instructors, eventually earning his black belt from Cleber Luciana. This newfound expertise led him to compete in pro submission grappling in his 40s, a challenging endeavor.

At Shen Wu Academy in LA, Tim taught Brazilian Jiujitsu and traditional Chinese arts while introducing a unique “ground proofing” program. Disheartened by the business demands, he transitioned as a coach to ACE Jiujitsu, emphasizing competition and instruction. His deep BJJ expertise, enriched by Chinese martial arts, paved the way for his MMA coaching. Since the early 2000s, Tim has been an instrumental figure at ACE Jiujitsu, molding fighters and sharing his extensive knowledge, reflecting his own path and the transformative journey of a style that reshaped global fighting perspectives.

Blending Old and New: Tim Cartmell’s Insights on Martial Arts

Diving into the vast ocean of martial arts, I was curious to understand the harmony between ancient traditions and contemporary combat sports. It wasn’t about contrasting them but a genuine inquiry rooted in open-hearted curiosity.

I turned to Tim Cartmell for insights. His deep involvement in both realms made him an ideal voice. “What can each discipline teach the other?” I asked.

Tim emphasized the adaptability of MMA. “They’ll learn anything from anyone as long as you can prove it works,” he noted, highlighting its foundational principle. This isn’t arrogance but a relentless quest for what’s practical.

However, while MMA is grounded in its practical testing against skilled opponents, traditional martial arts can sometimes lean heavily into forms, missing out on the real essence of combat.

Offering an analogy, Tim remarked, “Imagine being in a boxing gym. If all you did was jump rope and hit a heavy bag, you still can’t box.” The underlying message: mere forms without the test of combat fall short.

Tim throws a student at the old Shen Wu Academy in LA.

Yet, Tim’s perspective wasn’t about discounting traditional martial arts. Instead, he pointed out the strength and wisdom they carry. While MMA fighters are unquestionably formidable in street scenarios, the mindfulness fostered by traditional arts can provide invaluable insights, especially when external factors like the environment or potential weapons are involved.

Concluding, Tim stressed the importance of intention. Being clear about your purpose is crucial whether you’re into martial arts for defense, sport, or personal growth.

Bridging Traditional Chinese Martial Arts & BJJ

My quest for understanding how traditional Chinese martial arts mesh with modern fighting techniques led me to another poignant question for Tim Cartmell. Could years of practice in the ancient arts be an asset or perhaps an obstacle in Jiujitsu?

Tim’s response was enlightening, “Absolutely. It established a discipline.” It wasn’t just the physical form but the discipline, the mind-body unity, the consciousness of movement that Chinese martial arts instilled in him. These foundational principles didn’t need to be relearned when he ventured into Jiujitsu.

He vividly drew parallels, “What we’d call in Tai Chi as ‘freestyle pushing hands’ in English, we call it wrestling.” The sensitivity, the intuitive nature of predicting an opponent’s move, was a strength Tim had honed during his years with traditional arts. Some techniques, like the throws in Baguazhang, felt familiar, even if the ground combat was new territory.

While the principles shared between the two practices were theoretically clear, their application took time to crystallize, especially on the ground. “Several years in my jiujitsu training,” as Tim recalled.

Sparring, Tim emphasized, was the laboratory of real-world application. It’s one thing to execute a move on a compliant opponent but in a live setting? That’s the actual challenge. It was in these sparring sessions that Tim could dissect what he had learned from Chinese martial arts and adapt, refine, and test them.

He pointed out the inherent limitation of traditional styles, particularly the absence of ground fighting. Although he didn’t say so explicitly, my impression was that while Tim had internalized everything of value he could from his Kung Fu days, he had largely left them behind.

A Fusion of Martial Arts Discipline and Innovation

As our conversation continued, I felt a growing sense of desperation to find some thread of Kung Fu in the combat sports champion. “How much of what you learned from your time in Taiwan and China do you still practice regularly?” I asked.

Tim’s answer was reflective yet deep-rooted in his experiences. “The body use that I learned, certain alignments and ways to coordinate your body. That’s in everything,” he explained. It was as if the foundational principles he had embraced in China and Taiwan had seamlessly blended into his current practices.

Although traditional forms weren’t a staple in his routine, he saw value in teaching them to those still interested in the old ways. Everything, from the most complex martial sequence to a simple push-up, was a form for Tim. “It’s a Kata. You should always be paying attention to your alignment, your relationship with gravity,” he asserted. 

What Breath Work Does Tim Cartmell Practice?

“Is there any type of Qigong or even breath work you incorporate for recovery or to modulate your mental state?” I inquired, searching for insights deeper than mere physical movements.

“My breath work is incorporated into everything I do,” he began. His journey into the art of breathing started young, intertwined with yoga and the varied pranayama exercises. Yet, it was evident that while the specific exercises faded over the years, the essence remained. 

He reminisced about training with Rickson Gracie, a name synonymous with ju-jitsu. “Rickson is big on yogic breathing,” Cartmell mused, delving into techniques tied to the heat of competitions, about catching your breath amidst a fierce duel. “Those things, I use when I grapple,” he said, emphasizing its significance.

Through Cartmell’s words, I was reminded that in the grand dance of martial arts, it’s not just about power and form but also the subtlety of breath. It’s a rhythm, a life force, and a strategy all rolled into one.

But what struck me most was Tim’s vision of transcending styles. “If somebody can throw a hard front kick, and they kick you in the face, can you tell what style it’s from? I think not.” There was no rigid boundary between styles for him. It was about imbibing the essence of the strategy and fluidly merging them.

Drawing Lines Between Tradition & Combat

Leaning into the conversation, “With your broad training base, how would you approach teaching someone unfamiliar with martial arts?” I inquired.

Tim’s response was thoughtful, colored by the wisdom of his experience. “I have a method broken down,” he begins. “One that I teach a lot is ‘ground proofing‘ — grappling self-defense for non-grapplers.” He paints a vivid image of an integrated system he has taught to various police departments, and throughout Europe. Tim’s perspective emphasizes efficient, real-world applications for those with limited time. “If you came to me wanting just to defend yourself in a few months,” he clarifies, “there’d be no qigong (氣功) or zhan zhuang (站桩); that’d be a waste of time.”

His answer is grounded, reflecting a philosophy prioritizing immediate need over historical profundity. However, the roots are still remembered. If a student were to immerse themselves in the art, tradition would come into play. “If you wanted to learn Xingyiquan as a traditional style, we start with standing,” Tim elaborates. 

A recurrent theme emerges: goals. He believes practices like zhan zhuang might be redundant for his MMA fighters. Yet, for someone seeking health benefits, he sees value. “It depends on people’s goals and their purpose for training,” he explains. The conversation pivots to zhan zhuang, a practice Tim regards as valuable for its myriad benefits — body conditioning to mind coordination. Yet, he notes, “the very best fighters in the world have never heard of zhan zhuang.”

It’s an intriguing dichotomy — the balance between ancient art forms and modern combat requirements. As Tim so aptly concludes, what you learn and how it aids you wholly “depends on what your goal is.”

Clearing The Air On Tai Chi

Under the digital magnification of a Zoom window, I asked Tim to expand on something he’d said at a recent Tai Chi workshop in Paris in which he’d stated that the “whole idea of Tai Chi is to get someone on one foot.” Naturally, this ruffled some feathers in the Tai Chi community, and I asked Tim to say more about it.

“Obviously, there’s a lot more to Tai Chi than putting someone on one foot,” Cartmell began, addressing the comment. 

Tim Cartmell dove into Tai Chi’s multifaceted history, its transformation from a martial art to a health regimen, offering perspectives that many might find unfamiliar. 

Referring to Sun Lutang’s work, he noted that Taijiquan’s original emphasis was on its fighting techniques. Cartmell elaborated, “One of the big benefits of Tai Chi practicing Taiji is you can learn to fight very quickly because the technique base is limited and the method is very obvious or straightforward.” This sharply contrasts with the modern perception of Tai Chi, which many see as a slow-paced, health-centric exercise shrouded in mystical elements and alleged qi powers. Contrary to Tim’s viewpoint that Tai Chi is relatively straightforward, an echo chamber exists within certain circles. This group perpetuates the narrative that “real Tai Chi” is an art so complex that its depths are only truly understood by a select, anointed few. 

He also brought up Chen Weiming’s early 1930s writings, which vouched for Tai Chi’s martial prowess. However, what really caught my attention was Chen’s observation: “Everybody knows Tai Chi is a great fighting style, but very few people know it’s good for health.” 

Cartmell went on to describe the foundational strategy of Taijiquan: to ‘uproot’ the opponent. “Uprooting is to shift their weight onto one of their feet,” he articulated. This idea was crystallized when he said, “When you push them onto one foot… they have 360 [dead angles]”. Essentially, if you can strategically shift an opponent’s weight to one foot, their balance is compromised, and they can be effortlessly toppled.

He referred to the “dead angle” – a principle I remembered from his book Effortless Combat Throws. When an opponent is balanced on both feet, they have two predictable angles of vulnerability. Move them onto one foot, however, and their vulnerability becomes infinite.

Drawing the conversation to a close, he left me with a striking metaphor, comparing the approach in Tai Chi to angling a gun: “Everything before [the fajin (發勁)] is like push hands… Once you have a superior connection, you can bring them onto one foot, and then you issue your force, and the guy falls down.” The aim is precision, not brute force.

It was an enlightening moment – understanding Tai Chi not just as a graceful dance but as a strategic art of balance and force.

Conclusion

As my conversation with the renowned martial artist Tim Cartmell unfolded, it was clear that the vast world of martial arts is as much about understanding deep-rooted theories as it is about physical practice. When asked about a book recommendation, Tim instantly brought up John Danaher and Hanzo Gracie’s “Mastering Jiujitsu” – a resource-heavy on theory, crucial for understanding the heart of Brazilian Jiujitsu. But another book that repeatedly emerges in such dialogues is Jack Dempsey’s “Championship Fighting.” Though small, it’s a core guide that dives straight into the mechanics of force generation, often likened to traditional techniques. It has been a perennial favorite amongst many of the masters I’ve interviewed and a personal favorite.

He might be flying under the radar regarding self-promotion, but Tim Cartmell’s commitment to martial arts is palpable. As our conversation wrapped up, I couldn’t help but be inspired by his profound insights, hoping for a face-to-face encounter soon. It was a privilege to have such a master share his time and perspective with me.

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I Liq Chuan Instructor Ashe Higgs

Ashe Higgs, I Liq Chuan Master Instructor & L2 Nutrition Coach

Ashe is a highly skilled martial arts instructor and certified nutrition coach with over two decades of experience in the field. He holds a Master Instructor certification in I Liq Chuan under Sam FS Chin, making him one of only several individuals worldwide to hold the title. He has taught classes and workshops worldwide and is passionate about helping others achieve their fitness and wellness goals.

With a background in full-contact fighting and a Level 2 certification from Precision Nutrition in nutrition coaching, Ashe is a well-rounded expert in the fields of martial arts. In addition to his expertise, he has a wealth of experience in teaching and mentoring others. He has a natural ability to connect with his students and inspire them to reach their full potential.

Read more about Ashe here…

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Howard Popkin & Daito-ryū

Howard Popkin

The Crouching Tiger of Daito-ryū

Daito-ryū, like a tsunami, marries the fluid elegance of water’s movement with devastating potential. Just as the ocean’s waves can transform from serene beauty to overwhelming might, the techniques in Daito-ryū can gracefully shift from subtle redirections to crashing takedowns. In both, there’s an inherent understanding of the power that lies beneath the surface, waiting for the precise moment to be unleashed. 

The Great Wave off Kanagawa by Hokusai. The power of water is a common metaphor in martial arts.

Just as a tsunami embodies the raw force of the sea, Daito-ryū represents the culmination of budō, where fluidity and devastation walk hand in hand. Within the swirling currents of Daito-ryū’s waters, a master moves silently, like a hidden dragon concealed beneath the depths. While his name may not resonate loudly in mainstream circles, he emerges with a formidable yet unassuming presence for those fortunate enough to cross his path.

Enter Howard Popkin, a martial arts instructor whose skill unfolds as a captivating dance of precision and grace, rivaled only by his unparalleled humility. While the world of martial arts often glorifies flamboyant showmen, hidden gems like Howard represent the deep-rooted spirit and essence of the way. In a landscape brimming with spectacle, known simply as “Howie” among friends, his quiet dedication and profound understanding of Daito-ryū highlight the core values of budō.

Howard Popkin and the Art of Daito-ryū

“You’re chubby, and you’re Jewish; you should learn to defend yourself,” Popkin quoted his Brooklyn-born father, whom he describes as a “realist,” explaining his initial plunge into the martial arts world. The sentiment, although humorously frank, was the spark that ignited his lifelong journey through the intricate corridors of jujitsu. Howard’s first teacher was Jeff Lovering, a local instructor who introduced him to Haku-ryū Jujitsu, an American offshoot related to Daito-ryū. “His style was very good, solid martial arts,” Popkin noted.

Howard’s journey saw him delve into judo and karate while in college before a chance encounter with Roy Goldberg. “What he was teaching at that time was… brutally effective,” Popkin said, describing a combination of jujitsu, Aikido, and other styles Goldberg was practicing. It was an eclectic blend that Popkin seemed to respect but treaded carefully around, emphasizing the importance of preserving the boundaries of each art.

These days, Howard is pretty slim.

And then there was Daito-ryū. “The system’s mechanics were very different,” Popkin admitted, explaining his draw to this particular style. Under the guidance of Okamoto Seigo in Japan, his connection to Daito-ryū deepened.

Delving Deeper: Daito-ryū and the Essence of Mastery

Okamoto Seigo, the founder of Daito-ryū Aiki-jujutsu Roppokai, hailed from Yubari City, Hokkaido, born in 1925. In 1963, he began his training under Kodo Horikawa, the founder of Daito-ryū Aiki-jujutsu Kodokai and a prominent disciple of Sokaku Takeda.

The electric hum of curiosity charged our conversation as Howard recalled his pivotal first meeting with Okamoto, the Daito-ryū master who would reshape his journey to mastery. Howard describes his teacher as “a wonderful human being, not a religious man but spiritual” with a deep love of sake. “I read about him on the internet,” Popkin begins, painting a picture of the days when the internet was still an unusual resource for such connections.

His story with Okamoto began with a simple letter translated into Japanese by a friend. Okamoto responded casually; Howard could train if he came to Japan. Without hesitation and driven by a thirst for authentic knowledge, Howard took the plunge, traveling to The Land of The Rising Sun to immerse himself in the heart of the discipline. 

Okamoto Seigo in Popkin's garage gym.
The founder of Daito-ryū Aiki-jujutsu Roppokai, Okamoto Seigo.

A Whole New World

His first steps in the dojo, however, were disorienting, to say the least. “I sat down [after class] on the side and… My father said, ‘What’s with the distressed look on your face?’” Popkin confides. His reflection on that first lesson in Japan was a mix of humility and wonder: “I just did an hour and a half of techniques… And I didn’t understand one thing the guy did tonight.”

This was the beginning of Popkin’s deep dive into the sophisticated world of Daito-ryū, an art that some compare to the “internal” arts of Chinese fighting traditions, known for their development of “unusual” power. But rather than presenting these principles directly, Okamoto’s teaching kept the secrets of the Old Masters hidden in plain sight. “Little by little,” Popkin reminisces, “once you got a handle on external motions, he would start to address ‘well, maybe try to rotate this, maybe try to lift that.'” It wasn’t a straightforward lecture on “internal” versus “external,” but an immersive lesson in feeling and understanding.

Unraveling the Mystery of Aiki

Our conversation shifted into the mysterious and often contentious realm of aiki (合気). 

  • 合 (ai) typically means “joining” or “harmony.”
  • 気 (ki) often refers to “spirit,” “energy,” or “breath.”

In the context of martial arts, “aiki” is often translated as “harmonizing,” “joining,” or “combining energy.”

To those entrenched in the martial arts world, the term aiki can spark heated debates. Some view it as a nearly mythical force, while others see it as nothing more than highly refined technique. Its definition often remains as elusive as grasping smoke in one’s hand, and indeed, many masters and practitioners hold varied interpretations.

I probed into Howard’s experiences with this concept, especially as taught by Okamoto. Howard reminisced, “There were lots of discussions around it. Every student who showed up would ask him. And he always gave the same answer; it was his ‘for public consumption’ definition.

He described it as circular motions, timing your breathing correctly, and using coordinated body movements. But it was never a definition you could really use.” 

Howard warmly remembered a signature demonstration by Okamoto. The old master would first gauge a student’s stability, ensuring their stance was firm and grounded. Once convinced, he would playfully employ the principle of rotation. Students would find themselves flying effortlessly, a profound contrast to the raw use of brute force. This wasn’t merely a display of technique; it showcased the principle of the soft overcoming the hard and the circular defeating the straight.

Okamoto demonstrates with Howard Popkin

He continued, describing the fragmented journey to mastering aiki. Okamoto used to say that any solid technique in martial arts has numerous components. Just when a student feels they’ve acquired a handful, believing they’re on the path to mastery, Okamoto would gently remind them of the vast expanse still left to learn. It was a humbling analogy: “Even if you’ve mastered 10 components, you might still be missing the other 90.”

As our dialogue continued, Howard shed light on the practical aspect of their training. Despite the language barrier – with Howard’s limited Japanese and Okamoto’s basic English – the essence of their lessons transcended words. Okamoto would challenge Howard with a barrage of techniques in a single session. Instead of drowning in the complexity, Howard focused on individual elements like footwork, expansion, contraction, or rotation. This focus helped him understand the underlying thread connecting each technique, an approach he and his long-time training partner Joe Brogna found invaluable.

Enter Dan Harden – The Ronin of Daito-ryū

Describing himself as “always one to give credit where it’s due,” Howard felt the need to pay tribute to a man named Dan Harden.

“I learned a lot of [aiki] exercises and stability training from Dan Harden,” he revealed, his voice hinting at gratitude mixed with deep respect. “I think I picked them up from him a little faster…because of my experience with Okamoto.”

“[Harden] was looking for body skills,” Howard remarked. Dan was on a quest to unlock the secrets of the Old Masters. This enigma, often articulated in Chinese as shenfa (身法) or lik hok (力学) in I Liq Chuan, went beyond mere technique or style, delving deep into the very essence and mechanism of so-called “internal “strength/aiki. Learning from Okamoto and Harden and bridging their teachings was like capturing lightning in a bottle for Howard

The dynamics between Harden’s and Okamoto’s teachings were starkly different. While Okamoto, revered in the martial arts community, often taught the unification technique from a gentle grab or push, Harden had a much more intense approach. “With Dan, there was always a ton of pressure,” Howard explained. “If you couldn’t make it work under the pressure, it was kind of useless.”.

Stand Up Guys

Interestingly, in an age of combat sports, where “jujitsu” immediately conjures images of ground fighting, Popkin clarifies that 99% of his training with Okamoto was standing up, rooted in Japan’s sword-based culture. Equally compelling was Okamoto’s gentle approach. Unlike some trainers who prove techniques through pain, Okamoto displayed his mastery with gentleness, never needing to hurt to prove a point. 

“There was never a time when he would do a joint locking technique on me where he actually would put me in pain. He would show us where it was, but he never needed to get to the point where you were tapping, or you knew your arm was gonna snap,” Popkin reflects, his voice echoing with reverence. “He was very comfortable with his abilities and knew it worked.”

Howard’s recollections of the old master remind me of my own teacher, GM Sam Chin.  Approaching 70, the old tiger remains tremendously formidable. Like a lion playing with its cub, he can unleash a display of terrifying power, turning even big guys and long-time students like me into ragdolls at will without ever causing us harm.

Delving into Daito-ryū’s Dynamics

“When most people think about soft martial arts, they think non-impact,” Howard explains. “I want to be able to use my body to develop devastating power, or devastating throwing or locking… softly.”

The term “three beers loose” floats back into my mind. A cue Howard had used during his time in Arizona, reinforcing the notion of “relaxed readiness,” highlighting the counterintuitive strength that exists in relaxation, a commonality between Daito-ryū and I Liq Chuan.

As the conversation delved deeper into the principles, Howard articulated, “Don’t meet force with force. Okamoto would move around it when met with resistance, never clashing head-on. This isn’t about avoiding contact but preventing a direct power struggle at the point of contact. A straight push, force against force, contrasted with maneuvering around or under an opponent.”

Drawing connections between Daito-ryū and I Liq Chuan, he observed, “I’ve seen similarities in your art, especially in the spinning hands videos. How you respond without directly opposing force reminds me of our principles, even if I’m just a novice in understanding your system.”

Okamoto sends Popkin flying effortlessly.

Although this last observation by Howard is debatable, I didn’t challenge him on it at the time, instead preferring to let him speak freely.  I Liq Chuan, in fact, does initially train to meet force head-on to “catch the tip of the spear,” only after which can it be redirected.  Having experienced Howard’s skill firsthand, it’s likely that, ultimately, we’re in basic agreement but using slightly different means to the same end.  It would have been a much longer conversation that would have detracted from the spotlight I wanted to shine on Howard, so I let his remark stand unchallenged.

At this point, Howard presented a nuanced observation regarding the many branches on the tree of Daito-ryū that exist today: as opposed to “one way for all,” Takeda’s teachings were tailored. Takeda, a monumental figure in the martial art’s legacy, emphasized an individualized approach to combat based on body type. Whether you were tall, stout, agile, or sturdy, he had a specific approach for you. Yet, as Howard observes, these personalized teachings often became an orthodoxy when passed down, obscuring the vicissitude of Daito-ryū’s adaptability. “People say ‘this is it.’ Well, that’s what your teacher was taught. But my teacher got taught this,” he points out, emphasizing the breadth of the art form. “So which one is it? [It’s all of them.]”

Wisdom for the Uninitiated

Having wasted many hours on dead-ends in the early part of my martial arts career, I’m always interested to hear about what unique insights others with a lifetime of experience have that can help the next generation avoid wasting their precious time. “What do you think are some of the most common mistakes that beginners make?”

With a pause that suggested years of reflection, Howard began, “I think it’s very difficult when you start taking martial arts to have any clue what you’re actually looking for.” He recalled his own fortunate beginnings,  noting, “I got lucky when I started.”  

I couldn’t agree more with Howard on this point, having myself started with I Liq Chuan belaboring under many false assumptions and delusions about the secrets of the Old Masters, and like Howard, it was only through sheer luck, or perhaps providence, that I committed myself to I Liq Chuan. 

“One of the biggest mistakes is not researching a little bit… not seeing what’s out there.” A reminder that while martial arts begins with the physical, its depth and impact on a practitioner’s life are largely influenced by the teacher’s character and the discipline’s ethos.

The Enduring Value of Martial Arts

I think, understanding that the subject would have taken us on a detour we didn’t have the time to explore, Howard switched gears to another common misstep: a shallow perception of martial arts. “Most people think martial arts is [just] punching and kicking. But there’s so much more to it than that.” His voice hinted at the vast spectrum of martial arts, stretching far beyond the visible.

I asked, “So when you say that martial arts is so much more than just punching and kicking, what do you mean by that?”

With decades of experience coloring his response, Howard shared, “The physical and mental confidence that one gets from knowing they can control a situation is tremendous.” But it wasn’t just about control. The martial arts, according to Howard, conferred a transformative calm. Laughing, Howard said, “I think you’re one of the few guys that can ‘out-calm’ me. And I attribute that entirely to our study of martial arts.”

The Virtue of Discipline, Courage & Integrity

Howard’s gaze deepened, building on our discussion about the depth and essence of martial arts beyond mere technique. “Traditional martial arts have tremendous value. First, in their ethics,” he began, “the student-teacher relationship is tremendous.” His respect for the discipline was evident. “The values imparted in traditional martial arts are also really wonderful, especially for children.”

Fascinated, I asked, “What are you doing to ensure those values are passed on to your students now?” His reply revealed a blend of modern teaching methodologies infused with the wisdom of the Old Masters. Howard spoke about a teacher from Rhode Island, Greg Horton, who had a unique method of teaching children. “His system allows you to impart the traditional life skills, so to speak, while doing martial arts,” Howard explained.

Desperate for a tangible understanding, I pleaded, “Can you give me just a small example?” He illustrated a scenario where, after initially teaching a child a stance or punch, the child is then invited to teach the same to the rest of the class. The method intrigued me. It resonated with my own approach to adult classes, giving students ownership and ensuring the art lives beyond the teacher.

Looking Back

Talking with Howard, I was struck by the depth of his journey in martial arts. Looking for additional pearls of wisdom to pass on to the next generation is asked, “If you could go back in time and talk to your younger self, what advice would you give?” I pondered aloud.

Howard quipped, “Keep your hands up without missing a beat.” A ripple of laughter passed between us, yet a more profound sentiment lay beneath that. Howard continued, “I would have met Okamoto 10 years earlier.” The note of wistfulness was unmistakable.

His deep respect for Okamoto illuminated his words. “He was such an amazing person. I would have loved to spend more time with him.”

“The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for it.”

Henry David Thoreau

Wedding At Tokyo Station

In the glow of reminiscing about his precious time with Okamoto, Howard segued into another heartwarming tale that showcased the deep love between teacher and student. With a twinkle in his eye, he began, “I don’t know if you know the story with me and my wife…”

At a pivotal point in his martial arts journey, Howard was approaching a significant rank. In Daito-ryū, one eventually arrives at the fourth-degree black belt. Then, the master decides whether to bestow an assistant teaching license upon the student. To Howard’s astonishment, Okamoto, in a room filled with peers, announced that while Howard was ready for this elevation, he wouldn’t receive it. The reason? 

Okamoto displayed caring for his students’ happiness and well-being beyond martial arts and expressed a playful concern that Howard wasn’t married. In Japan, turning 40 and being single was frowned upon – the translator amusingly called such a man a “scoundrel,” though that might’ve been a polite substitution for Okamoto’s actual words.

Laughing, Howard recalled his rebuttal, pointing out their shared fishing and drinking adventures, activities that, he jokingly claimed, married men might find challenging. In a light-hearted dare, Howard challenged Okamoto: if he wrote a proposal in kanji saying, “Will you marry me,” he’d parade it through Tokyo Station on a T-shirt.

Joe Brogna (left) and Howard on one of their many fishing trips with Okamoto when he visited their dojo in NY.

Okamoto’s playful acceptance took Howard by surprise, but the twist in the tale is that he met the love of his life just six weeks later. While he didn’t meet her at Tokyo Station, in a gesture that spoke volumes of their bond, Okamoto’s calligraphy was almost like a talisman, catapulting his student forward into the next phase of his life as a happily married family man.

Chuckling, I responded, “That’s a great story,” a testament to the depth of respect, camaraderie, and affection between master and student.

Sacred Steps Forward: The Unforeseen Path of a Legacy

Transitioning to more recent events, I asked, “Howard, how did you begin your journey in the seminar circuit?” What unfolded was the story of an unexpected series of events, a display of the unpredictability of life, and the magnetic pull of genuine skill.

In ancient Japan, it was not uncommon for martial artists to journey through the land, driven by the quest for mastery and the lure of legendary dojos. Those were days when tales of skill became the stuff of lore, shared beneath cherry blossoms and amidst misty mountains. 

Echoing that timeless narrative, a curious Aikido-ka found his way to Howard’s dojo. The insights he gleaned there had a deep-rooted significance. At a subsequent seminar, equipped with this quiet wisdom from Howard, he caught an experienced instructor off-guard and floored him, reminding everyone of the profound power of Daito-ryū. 

That move, that singular moment of skill, became a spark of intrigue. “Where did you learn that?” the floored instructor had demanded, astonishment evident. 

“From Howard Popkin,” was the Aikido-ka’s simple yet impactful reply.

Intrigued and impressed, the seminar instructor wasted no time. He sought Howard out, eager to understand the depth of his techniques and artistry for himself. From this serendipitous chain of events, Howard’s journey took a new turn, leading him to US and UK seminars, expanding his impact far beyond his humble dojo’s walls.

Conclusion

The Depth of Discipline and the Bonds We Forge

The new Popkin-Brogna Jujitsu Center in West Hempstead, NY.

As our conversation concluded, I was struck by how intricately the martial arts journey is woven with the ties that bind us. My discussion with Howard was not just an exploration of techniques or traditions; it was a deeper dive into the profound relationships we cultivate and the meaning they infuse into our practice.

Howard’s tales, from his charming proposal story to the intricate lessons of Daito-ryū, echo a world where discipline intertwines with kinship. His journey of over 40 years on the mats is a monument to the unwavering spirit of commitment – a beacon for someone like me.

There’s genuine humility in learning from someone who has spent twice as long in the arts, witnessing the ebb and flow of tradition and evolution. I’m honored to call Howard both a friend and a mentor. It’s not just for the stories or insights but for exemplifying how relationships – with our mentors, our peers, and ourselves – deepen the significance of our lives.

His dedication inspires and reminds us of the rich tapestry of martial arts, woven with threads of knowledge, understanding, and the relationships we cherish.

Afterward – Connect With Howard

Interested in diving deeper into the teachings of Howard Popkin? Head over to his official websites, http://www.ginjukai.com/ or https://popkinbrognaselfdefense.com/, or follow the Ginjukai Facebook page.

With his long-time training partner, Joe Brogna, Howard manages the Popkin-Brogna Jujitsu Center in West Hempstead on Long Island. Though he’s taken a step back from an exhaustive seminar circuit to dedicate time to raising his son, his teachings continue to resonate.

For those eager to explore the depths of Daito-ryū, the recommended read is “Daito-ryū Aiki Jujutsu” authored by Okamoto. While it’s currently out of print, the book remains accessible on Amazon for enthusiasts and scholars alike.

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I Liq Chuan Instructor Ashe Higgs

Ashe Higgs, I Liq Chuan Master Instructor & L2 Nutrition Coach

Ashe is a highly skilled martial arts instructor and certified nutrition coach with over two decades of experience in the field. He holds a Master Instructor certification in I Liq Chuan under Sam FS Chin, making him one of only several individuals worldwide to hold the title. He has taught classes and workshops worldwide and is passionate about helping others achieve their fitness and wellness goals.

With a background in full-contact fighting and a Level 2 certification from Precision Nutrition in nutrition coaching, Ashe is a well-rounded expert in the fields of martial arts. In addition to his expertise, he has a wealth of experience in teaching and mentoring others. He has a natural ability to connect with his students and inspire them to reach their full potential.

Read more about Ashe here…

Disclaimers & Conflicts of Interest

I am not a doctor, and the information provided should not be considered medical advice. The information provided is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be used as a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Consult your doctor or a qualified healthcare professional before making any changes to your diet, exercise routine, or lifestyle.

Please note that some of the links provided in this content may be affiliate links, meaning that I may receive a small commission if you purchase through them. However, please rest assured that any products or services recommended are based on my personal experience and belief in their value. I only recommend products or services that I have personally used and believe in.

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Tai Chi With Alex Dong

Inheriting A Legacy: A Master’s Journey Through Martial Arts

Alex Dong is a dedicated practitioner with a lifelong passion for the discipline. Hailing from Renxian County, Hubei province in China, he embarked on his martial arts journey at the tender age of five, starting with Tai Chi and later dabbling in the external aspects of martial arts throughout his childhood.

The Tung/Dong family Tai Chi is a traditional lineage that traces its roots back to the famous Yang style. As the current lineage holder, Alex Dong continues the legacy, emphasizing a traditional approach to Tai Chi, focusing on martial applications and preserving the essence of the art.

Tai Chi Master Alex Dong
Tai Chi Master Alex Dong

The Lineage of Dong Family Tai Chi

The lineage of Dong family Tai Chi can be traced back to the renowned Yang-style Tai Chi founder Yang Luchan (楊露禪) through his grandsons Yang Chengfu (楊澄甫) and Yang Shaohuo (楊少侯). Dong Yingjie (董英傑) learned from both Luchan’s grandsons and several other prominent Tai Chi masters of the era. Yingjie became the first generation of the Dong family to learn Tai Chi. The lineage continued through Dong Yingjie’s son, Dong Huling (董虎岭), who passed on the art to his son, Dong Zengchen (董增晨). Dong Zeng Chen then taught his son, Alex Dong (董大德), the current lineage holder, who continues to carry on the family tradition of Tai Chi. Alex is passing on his family’s art to his young son Ryan (董添瑞).

Coming To America

Recounting his journey, he says, “When I moved to Hawaii at 13, I trained with my father and grandfather.” Now a seasoned instructor, Alex has been honing the craft for over three decades. “I started assisting my father at 19, translating for him and teaching classes solo,” he reflects. Proudly commemorating the 25th anniversary of his family’s art being taught in Seattle, Alex’s devotion to martial arts radiates through his accomplishments.

Having called Hawaii and New York City home for the last four decades, Alex Dong’s influence stretches beyond geographical boundaries. Although the pandemic nudged him towards online classes, he now anticipates returning to in-person workshops, invigorated after the forced hiatus.

With a renewed spirit and a wealth of knowledge, Alex Dong is poised to continue his journey, inspiring generations to come with the timeless art of Dong family Tai Chi.

Alex Dong’s Early Martial Arts Journey

As I delved deeper into the conversation with Alex Dong, his account of childhood training in the art of Dong Family Tai Chi transported me to a level of dedication and discipline seldom possible in the modern era. “In the beginning,” Alex recalls, “I was learning the traditional long form and my family’s fast form.”

The scenes he painted were reminiscent of unwavering commitment, with young Alex practicing relentlessly. Rising before the sun, he commenced his training, only to continue throughout the day. “Other than going to school,” he shares, “I’m training… during lunch breaks and after dinner.” Such was the enthusiasm of his pursuit.

Dong Tai Chi founder ong, Yingjie
Dong, Yingjie – Founder of Dong Family Tai Chi

In those formative years, repetition was the key. Alex vividly described honing his skills by performing the shorter forms and weapons routines countless times.

This early immersion in the art laid the groundwork for the mastery Alex would later achieve. It was a time of pure dedication, where every moment seemed devoted to pursuing excellence.

Reflecting on these formative years, it becomes apparent that true greatness is nurtured through passion, diligence, and an unyielding connection to one’s heritage. Alex Dong’s journey exemplifies the power of tradition and the beauty of a childhood dedicated to his family’s timeless art.

A Dance of Disciplines: Alex Dong’s Entry Into Push Hands

In my pursuit to unveil the inspirational martial arts journey of Alex Dong, our conversation delved into his transition from forms to the intricate world of Push Hands. “When I relocated to Hawaii at 13,” Alex reveals, “that’s when I started incorporating Push Hands training.”

Before Hawaii, Alex’s early years in China were characterized by dedicated form practice and spirited wrestling bouts known as Shuai Jiao (摔跤). These playful challenges with fellow neighborhood kids honed his balance and grappling skills, setting the stage for what was to come.

It was in Hawaii, at the age of 13 or 14, that Alex officially embraced Push Hands under the watchful guidance of his father. Classes with his father’s students exposed him to a diverse array of martial arts practitioners, including those from karate, wing chun, and even street fighters. A beautiful blend of Push Hands and striking techniques filled the training sessions, sometimes escalating into the roughhouse-ing of spirited young men.

With a glimmer in his eyes, Alex shared memories of these sessions, where practitioners tested their skills in a controlled yet lively exchange. The eclectic mix of influences imparted invaluable insights, shaping Alex’s path.

While training with his grandfather was less frequent due to the elder’s reduced class schedule, the moments spent learning from the Grandmaster were invaluable. Alex recalls, “Although he didn’t train me like my father, what he gave me was very important.” The principles and techniques imparted by his grandfather added a profound layer to Alex’s formidable prowess.

A Historic Showdown: A Connection to Martial Arts Legacy

During my enthralling conversation with Alex, he revealed an intriguing family connection to a momentous event in modern Chinese martial arts history—the legendary match between Hop Gar master Chen Kefu (陳克夫) and Wu style Tai Chi master Wu Gongyi (吳公儀). Alex’s great-grandfather had a front-row seat to this historic encounter, being intimately acquainted with both masters. You can see Dong Yingjie demonstrating briefly in the old newsreel footage of the match on YouTube.

“My great-grandfather was there,” Alex shares, “he knew both masters very well.” He explains how his great-grandfather demonstrated his skills before the match and even sparred with an Eagle Claw Master.

Delving into the details of the match, Alex conveyed, “Wu Gongyi underestimated his opponent and didn’t fully prepare for the fight.” This lapse in preparation had a profound impact on the outcome of the match.

Reflecting on the significance of this historic showdown, although many critics view the match through the lens of modern combat sports, the gravity of its impact on contemporary Chinese martial arts shouldn’t be dismissed. Alex recounts an enlightening perspective shared by a prominent promoter in China. “Martial art movies and books gained popularity after the match,” Alex reveals. “It played a crucial role in shaping people’s current fascination with Chinese martial arts.”

Unraveling the Essence of Tai Chi: The Power of Internal Energy

Demystifying Qi & Internal Energy

Sitting across from Alex, it was an enlightening experience to explore the core philosophy of Tai Chi. As we delved into the misconceptions and authentic principles of this practice, Alex opened up about the profound disconnect between modern-day enthusiasts and traditional Tai Chi practitioners.

“Yeah, there’s a lot of misunderstanding in Tai Chi,” he began, emphasizing how modern mass practice has deviated from the selective, dedicated approach of the old days. “A lot of them talk like they know the principles, but you really don’t understand the principles unless you go through it physically,” Alex said, stressing the importance of hands-on experience with masters and adhering to the true principles of Tai Chi.

historical photo of Dong Huling
2nd Generation Lineage Holder Dong Huling

One of the most mysterious and misunderstood elements of Tai Chi is the concept of qi/chi (氣), or internal energy. In an animated explanation, Alex laid bare the philosophy behind qi, debunking the extremes of skepticism and magical belief. “Qi is something that you can actually do. It can help you. it’s not just strength that can make us strong, right? It’s a structure, the mind, the focus; qi is air, really depends how you translate; it is oxygen,” he explained.

Correct Use of Qi

Alex continued to expound on the correct use of qi, describing the internal expansion and control of breath and how it connects and energizes the body. “If I take a deep breath, my whole body is expanding from the inside out… we tried to balance the sinking of the qi to keep the body connected and more rooted, and still able to use it. So qi is one of the main things we try to use in Tai Chi,” he added.

To Alex, mastering qi requires more than just understanding its theoretical concept. It demands a harmonious blend of good structure, form, and internal energy, integrated into a comprehensive practice.

“I would say, you know, majority of the people don’t really know what qi is… So you have to have qi, good structure, good form. And all the other things combined to make its internal energy,” he concluded, leaving me with a profound sense of intrigue.

Unlocking the Mysteries of Qi: A Journey into Tai Chi’s Internal Energy

In our continued exploration of Tai Chi’s profound secrets, Alex Dong shared his innovative methods for helping students recognize and cultivate their qi—the internal energy that underpins this enigmatic martial art. He emphasized the importance of understanding the difference between strength and using energy effectively, a common misconception among Tai Chi practitioners.

Alex’s approach involved creating a specialized qigong (氣功) exercise focused on developing internal energy and qi. By exaggerating movements and incorporating strength, he helped students feel the subtle nuances of energy flow. One such exercise involved dropping the hands—a simple yet powerful demonstration of the significance of relaxation in fluid movements.

He explained, “When you start with strength, you get stiff, and you can’t move anymore. You have to start by moving.” This concept echoed the essence of Tai Chi, where fluidity and grace are achieved by harmonizing the body’s movements with internal energy.

The qigong exercises also delved into the balance between Yin and Yang energy. Alex highlighted the importance of engaging both in movements, exemplified in the opening and closing of the arms during Tai Chi practice. The continuous flow of energy from the inside to the outside and vice versa helped students grasp the dynamic interplay between Yin and Yang within their bodies.

Alex’s teaching went beyond physical movements and incorporated breathwork into qigong practice. He emphasized the role of breathing in circulating qi throughout the body. By teaching students to focus on their breath and its connection to qi, he empowered them to harness their internal energy effectively.

Structure, Relaxation & Energy

Furthermore, he stressed the importance of maintaining proper alignment and structure while executing movements. Alex shared a valuable insight on stepping techniques: “When we step forward, we put down the heel first; when we step back, we put down the toe first.” This mirrors the natural way we walk and preserves momentum during Tai Chi practice.

His emphasis on foundational principles and correct movements extended to traditional push hands—a key component of Tai Chi training. Alex contrasted the traditional approach to modern versions that often involve superficial hand contact and following each other’s movements without purpose.

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3rd Generation Dong Family lineage holder, Dong Zengchen

He urged students to keep their hands closer to the body in traditional push hands, allowing for quicker responses and better defensive capabilities. The focus was on adapting to the situation and using correct techniques rather than mechanically following an opponent’s movements.

With great passion, Alex emphasized that Tai Chi is not just about perfecting form but learning to apply internal energy effectively. This understanding, he asserted, takes time, dedication, and the guidance of a skilled teacher. Students must move beyond impressive forms and delve into the subtleties of internal energy to truly embody the essence of Tai Chi.

Unveiling the Essence of Qi Development in Tai Chi

As our conversation delved deeper into the mysteries of qi development, Alex emphasized that qi is more than just breathing—it is a tool used to fortify internal energy and ultimately enhance one’s Tai Chi practice. The true essence lies in developing intense internal energy through using qi.

Alex clarified that while some practitioners may choose to focus solely on the soft qi for health benefits, the real power emerges from cultivating strong qi, transforming Tai Chi into an internal energy art. Qi becomes the means to an end, and the primary focus shifts to harnessing internal energy effectively.

An intriguing concept discussed was the idea of qi being a tool, akin to a basketball being bounced—the main focus remains on the basketball, not the bounce. Qi serves as a vehicle to power internal energy, the core principle in Tai Chi.

Qi As A Tool

Throughout our exchange, Alex highlighted the significance of testing one’s abilities. In push hands practice, he stressed the importance of demonstrating one’s skill through action rather than mere words. He recalled a memorable encounter during a workshop when facing a strong and muscular MMA practitioner. Alex withstood the initial force, gained an understanding of the opponent’s approach, and then deftly counteracted with Tai Chi principles, tossing the opponent around. This practical demonstration allowed him to prove the effectiveness of Tai Chi’s internal energy application.

Furthermore, Alex emphasized the value of diverse training partners, including those from different martial arts backgrounds. These interactions provided a platform for applying Tai Chi principles against various techniques, fostering a deeper understanding of Tai Chi’s adaptability and potency.

As our discussion progressed, Alex conveyed the importance of avoiding complacency. Instead of encouraging a compliant approach in training, he emphasized the need for open-mindedness and the willingness to learn from different perspectives. His workshops welcomed participants from various styles, and through free touch hands sessions, he showcased the effectiveness of Tai Chi principles without any preconceived agreements.

Alex Dong’s wisdom and approach to Tai Chi leave us with a profound understanding—that genuine understanding and mastery are demonstrated not through words but through practical application. The journey to unlocking the true power of Tai Chi involves embracing the essence of internal energy. This pursuit extends far beyond the surface-level calm and tranquility commonly associated with this profound art.

The Art of Tai Chi: Clarifying Common Misconceptions

In my quest to understand the nuances of Tai Chi, Alex Dong delved into the prevalent misconceptions surrounding this profound martial art. While Tai Chi has grown in popularity as a form of exercise, Alex lamented that only a few truly grasp its profound internal energy—the essence that sets it apart.

One significant misconception Alex addressed was the notion that practice alone guarantees mastery. He emphasized, “Without learning, it doesn’t matter how much you practice.” Equating this to other sports, he highlighted the essential role of coaching in honing one’s skills. A skilled teacher becomes the conduit for passing down centuries of accumulated wisdom.

The invaluable impact of a dedicated teacher was something I resonated with deeply, recalling conversations with my own Sifu. The intricacies of human movement, the artistry in every technique—all passed down from one master to another, an unbroken lineage of knowledge.

A Fighting Art: Incorporating Strikes & Kicks in Tai Chi

My conversation with Alex Dong delved into the realm of strikes and kicks within the Tai Chi system—an aspect often overlooked in classes usually geared toward health and meditation. Alex acknowledged that while most students come to Tai Chi for its physical and mental benefits, a select few express interest in exploring striking and kicking techniques.

For these enthusiastic individuals, Alex prefers to work with them privately, providing personalized guidance on how to incorporate these techniques while adhering to Tai Chi principles. He highlighted the importance of Tai Chi’s unique approach in enhancing other martial arts practices, as demonstrated by some of his students who are experienced martial artists themselves.

A noteworthy example emerged during Alex’s push-hands practice with one student who had extensive experience in MMA, Wing Chun, and other martial arts. This student favored going for leg grabs, a common wrestling technique. However, Alex ingeniously adapted Tai Chi principles to counter these moves effectively. This seamless integration of Tai Chi principles with traditional wrestling techniques showcased the versatility of Tai Chi as a martial art. Understanding and applying Tai Chi’s internal energy gives students a unique advantage in various combat scenarios, enabling them to respond fluidly and dynamically.

The intersection of Tai Chi with other martial arts is a fascinating exploration that requires dedicated students willing to venture beyond the serene surface of Tai Chi’s health-focused reputation. As Tai Chi enthusiasts and martial artists come together, they unlock a new dimension of understanding—a potent fusion of grace, power, and adaptability.

Navigating the Path to a True Tai Chi Teacher

As our conversation progressed, I delved into the topic of common mistakes made by beginners in Tai Chi. Alex emphasized the importance of understanding that strength and good structure are crucial, especially for younger practitioners. Avoiding the misconception that Tai Chi should be solely soft and gentle, he stressed the necessity of cultivating power and learning to utilize it effectively.

Drawing from his expertise, Alex warned against the dangers of learning incorrect techniques, which can lead to joint problems and create harmful habits for the body. He shared personal experiences, highlighting how proper knee alignment can prevent unnecessary strain and discomfort.

Moving on to the quest for a reliable Tai Chi teacher, I sought advice from Alex on how students should recognize a good instructor. He encouraged aspiring practitioners to be discerning and cautious amid the abundance of teachers accessible through the Internet. He acknowledged that while there are indeed excellent instructors, they are outnumbered, making the search for the right mentor a more intricate process.

Offering valuable counsel, Alex emphasized the importance of continuous improvement and the need to seek out better teachers as one’s skills progress. He urged students to move beyond their comfort zones, exploring different styles and practitioners and participating in push hands with diverse partners. By doing so, practitioners can hone their skills, adapt to various styles, and deepen their understanding of Tai Chi’s versatility.

Alex’s advice illuminated the path to becoming an authentic Tai Chi practitioner—a journey that involves perseverance, a willingness to learn, and the pursuit of excellence through continuous improvement.

The Timeless Value of Traditional Martial Arts in the Modern World

As our conversation neared its end, I broached a subject that often intrigues me—the relevance of traditional martial arts in our modern, safe society. Considering the vast array of self-defense tools and our relatively peaceful era, I sought Alex Dong’s perspective on the ongoing value of traditional martial arts.

Respecting the Tradition

Alex emphasized the importance of preserving the essence of traditional martial arts, not just the physical movements but also the values and traditions that come with it. He stressed the significance of respecting one’s teacher and fellow classmates, a crucial part of martial arts culture and tradition. Preserving these aspects keeps the spirit of the art alive and contributes to a robust and connected community.

A Shift in Context

While acknowledging that traditional martial arts originally served a purpose in warfare and one-on-one combat, Alex recognized that times have changed. With the advent of firearms and other modern weaponry, the practicality of some traditional techniques in today’s context may be limited. However, he expressed his dedication to maintaining the martial art aspect while adapting to the contemporary world.

The Deeper Benefits

Beyond self-defense, Alex highlighted the multifaceted benefits of traditional martial arts. He emphasized the meditative and mental aspects of Tai Chi, describing it as not just a physical practice but also a form of meditation. Tai Chi’s positive effects extend beyond combat skills, promoting mental and physical well-being.

Preserving Tradition for the Future

In a world where social media can influence perceptions, Alex encouraged us to cherish the traditional aspects of martial arts. He expressed concern about the prevailing mindset that discounts tradition, stressing the need to maintain the richness of martial arts history and its inherent value to individuals and society.

As our conversation concluded, it became evident that traditional martial arts hold timeless significance—a blend of physical skill, mental discipline, and a connection to history. Despite the changing times, preserving these timeless values ensures that traditional martial arts continue to inspire and benefit practitioners in the 21st century.

Ryan Dong – The next generation of Dong Family Tai Chi

Traditional Tai Chi with a Refreshing Perspective

As our interview concluded, I asked Alex Dong where interested individuals could learn more about him or attend one of his workshops. With humility and a dedication to traditional Tai Chi, Alex offered a glimpse into his approach and availability.

Accessible Presence

Alex shared that he has a website, http://alexdongtaichi.com/, making it easy for curious souls to find him. Additionally, he can be found on Facebook, where he occasionally posts simple demonstrations. While not heavily active on social media, he remains approachable to anyone eager to delve into the world of traditional Tai Chi.

Alex Dong’s YouTube channel is a valuable resource for Tai Chi enthusiasts. It features instructional videos, demonstrations of traditional forms, discussions on Tai Chi principles, and practical applications, offering authentic and expert guidance for practitioners of all levels.

A Traditional Focus

Distinct from the flashy online content prevalent in modern times, Alex’s offerings stand out due to their traditional essence. He expressed that his approach diverges from what’s commonly seen online, making it an intriguing option for those seeking an authentic Tai Chi experience.

Alex’s dedication to spreading his wisdom takes him around the globe. Though he had a packed schedule from February to June, he looks forward to a busy year ahead. Upcoming workshops in the United States, Brazil, Europe, and Thailand demonstrate his commitment to sharing his traditional Tai Chi expertise.

A Refreshing Perspective

Alex’s perspective on Tai Chi remained refreshingly grounded and genuine throughout our conversation. His passion for preserving tradition while adapting to the contemporary world was evident, resonating with those seeking a deeper understanding of martial arts.

As we wrapped up, I couldn’t help but appreciate Alex Dong’s refreshing take on Tai Chi. I eagerly anticipated the opportunity to meet him in person during a future workshop or over dim sum in New York, guided by the wisdom of a true Tai Chi master.

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Exploring Daxuan With Serge Augier

Daxuan Master Serge Augier

Enter The Realm Of Taoist Martial Arts

Embark on a fascinating journey into the profound world of the Bamen Daxuan Ziranmen (八門大玄自然門) tradition alongside the esteemed master, Serge Augier. Delve into the ancient wisdom of the Old Masters and discover the transformative power of this time-honored lineage. In this article, we explore the remarkable teachings of Serge Augier, a torchbearer of Daxuan, which dates back to the mythic era of 510 AD in the mystical Kowloon Mountains.

Serge Augier, a true embodiment of resilience and mastery, brings the essence of Daxuan to life, merging its age-old practices with the demands of our modern society. With his comprehensive program spanning bachelor’s and master’s degrees and doctorate programs, Serge bridges the gap between academia and the profound teachings of the Old Masters. 

Within the Daxuan tradition, Serge emphasizes the intricate interplay between body, mind, vitality, and emotions, unveiling the hidden treasures of Taoist magic. As we navigate through the depths of Daxuan, we uncover the essence of alchemy, the integration of physical and spiritual training, and the pursuit of self-improvement.

Join us on this enlightening exploration as we unravel the wisdom of the Daxuan tradition under the guidance of Serge Augier, a beacon of ancient knowledge in the modern world.

Insights from the Old Masters

Stepping into the enigmatic world of Taoist tradition is like opening the doors of an ancient, mystical library. I traversed through the echoes of old Taoism or Daoism (道教) with my latest guest, Serge Augie. “The clan Taoism,” Serge offered with a depth of gravitas, “is about developing different aspects of a human being.” Think of it like a sophisticated system to improve the human mechanism, the body, mind, vitality, and emotions. And then there’s the esoteric – that elusive Taoist magic that adds an air of mystery and intrigue. 

Daxuan Master Serge Augier

Serge is certainly not a man of bygone eras, though. He is pushing boundaries, shaping Taoist arts into academia with a comprehensive program to be taught in France. “The best thing we can do is to help medicine, the healthy aspect of society today,” he remarked, underscoring the relevance of this ancient art to our modern, fraught world.

The program he’s meticulously curated includes a bachelor’s degree, four master’s degrees, and five different doctorate programs. This is the Daxuan tradition, reimagined for today’s world, its wisdom pulsating from university classrooms to an array of online platforms.

Serge Augier’s Personal Journey & The Relevance Of Ancient Arts

Serge’s journey into the Daxuan tradition is as intriguing as the art itself. As we dove deeper into his past, he revealed his early relationship with martial arts. In the Daxuan Taoist system, martial arts is a small aspect – a practical self-defense skill born in the Tang Dynasty to protect the practitioners from the dangers of wild animals and bandits alike, and preserve the ‘inner temple’ they built. 

“It’s real work,” Serge said, underscoring the time and effort required to make progress with oneself. “You cannot let people, especially bad people, come and destroy everything.” Yet, despite the small initial role of martial arts, its practicality led to its expansion over time. 

In Serge’s case, martial arts became a vital element for survival. As a child, Serge described himself as weak and sickly. A political refugee from China living with his family took him under his wing, offering to help build his health and resilience. “I don’t know what to do [for work]. But I can make your son stop being sick all the time,” the man told Serge’s parents.

And thus began Serge’s journey into martial arts, initially as a survival tool and later blossoming into a deeper exploration of the Daxuan tradition. This personal journey from frailty to strength underpins his teachings today, reflecting the profound relevance of these ancient arts in modern life. For Serge, the journey that began as a quest for health now spirals into greater spheres – spirituality and the ‘neigong (內功),’ or ‘neidan (內丹)’ aspects of Taoism. It’s a journey of transformation, resilience, and mastery.

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From Frailty To Strength – Serge Augier’s Personal Journey In Ancient Arts

As we peeled back the layers of Serge’s past, he revealed a challenging childhood. He was a skinny, well-dressed kid in a rough neighborhood during the 1980s – a combination that often got him into scrapes. “I was in trouble all the time,” he admitted. It was martial arts that offered a young Serge a fighting chance, a way to navigate his tumultuous surroundings.

His initial journey wasn’t a cakewalk. He had to forgo watching TV, and his school vacations were consumed by rigorous training. “I had to train before and after school; all the summer vacation were pretty much training,” he explained, painting a picture of a demanding regimen. He endured “waigong (外功), or external training to forge my body” when he was less than thrilled about it.

Yet, through grit and perseverance, he began to see progress. He realized he could handle his troubles; his body had become stronger, and with that strength came safety. This transformation drove his commitment to the training, despite its demands. “Then he made me appreciate the training,” he confessed. And that was just the start of his expedition into the depths of the Daxuan tradition, which kicked into high gear when he was around 12 or 13. Serge’s tale is an inspiring testament to resilience, transformation, and the profound impact of martial arts.

Alchemy: Daxuan Tradition’s Approach To Personal Refinement & Integration

Serge is akin to the concept of alchemy. “You take something complex, you break it down into simpler stuff, you make all the simpler parts better… and then you put it back together [better than before, i.e. ‘purified’]” he explained. Human existence, in its multifaceted complexity, can be approached similarly. 

“We have a body. The body is as important as mind and as important as breath for vitality,” he emphasized. Through a meticulous process, Daxuan practitioners dissect these complex aspects – the body, vitality [qi, or chi (氣)], and mind – into manageable elements, work on refining each, and then put them back together. 

Serge explained this process in the context of physical training, which moves from external to internal. “First, you have to work the body…then you have to work your body but with more intent…external training to internal training.” The training transcends physical boundaries, moving into a realm where ‘qi,’ or energy, and the mind meld into one, forming an intricate dance. 

This approach forms the bedrock of Daxuan tradition, with practices aiming to refine individual components before reintegrating them. This holistic approach – breaking down, refining, and reintegrating – encapsulates the spirit of Daxuan tradition, merging the physical and spiritual into a seamless dance of self-improvement.

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The Three Core Pillars Of Daxuan Tradition: Body, Breath, & Mind

Daxuan tradition goes deeper than physical strength or martial prowess; it’s a holistic regimen for the mind, body, and spirit. Serge walked me through the three core pillars: physical, breath, and mind. “Body needs to be grounded…stronger; we cannot be as weak as society tries to make us today.” he lamented. From 64 exercises for force and flexibility to the full-throttle martial arts practice, the physical aspect is a testament to human potential.

But the journey doesn’t stop at the physical. The Daxuan system espouses breath training, underlining the importance of abundant, moving energy. “No energy is emptiness of chi… it’s a disease in Chinese medicine, actually,” Serge pointed out. Energy, he explained, must be both abundant and fluid.

The mind, he went on, is as vital as the body and breath. “If I want to be working, I will be 100% working…if I want to be talking to my loved ones, I should be 100% talking to my loved one,” he emphasized. This is the ‘Shen Gong (神功),’ the calisthenics of the mind. Through practices like ‘zuowang’ (坐忘 pinyin: zuòwàng) or sitting to forget, individuals can elevate their minds and work towards a better idea of self.

Everyday training is split equally into these three parts, eventually merging into one. In Serge’s view, it’s a comprehensive approach to developing ourselves in all aspects of our existence, from the physical to the spiritual. His words offered a peek into an ancient tradition where the physical and spiritual coexist and nurture each other, which he champions as a path to realizing human potential.

Contrasting Zen & Taoist Approaches To Mind Training

One question that intrigued me was the contrast between Zen and Taoist approaches to mind training. Serge’s response was enlightening, pointing out that “the biggest difference is that in Zen… they do not have this love of body, as we have in Taoism.” While Zen might prioritize the mind to the point of overlooking physical discomfort, Taoism considers body, breath, and mind equally important.

“In Taoism, we really believe that the body…should be one of the foundations of the mind training,” Serge clarified. The Taoist tradition goes so far as to include specific exercises to keep the body comfortable and aligned during long periods of meditation. According to Serge, respect for the body is a more substantial component in Taoist philosophy than in Zen.

Another fascinating divergence is Taoism’s recording of questions and experiences encountered by students and masters during practice. The books detailing these encounters amount to “nearly half a meter,” as Serge humorously noted. In stark contrast to the Zen method of self-discovery, the Taoist tradition offers a vast reservoir of guidance on navigating meditation experiences, effectively preventing students from feeling lost or overwhelmed. 

Exploring The Esoteric Exercises In Daxuan: Unveiling The Mystical

The conversation took an intriguing turn when I asked Serge about the esoteric exercises in Daxuan. His response was as compelling as it was unique, blurring the lines between the natural and the supernatural. “When I was young, I learned magic, as real as the martial arts,” Serge revealed, nonchalantly challenging Western dismissals of the arcane.

Serge laid out a dual path for the esoteric practice, one yin, the other yang. The yin practice, he said, is about “making you a better receptor to the subtle energy…You are more sensitive, and you can feel things.” It encourages the student to be a keen observer of the universe, its energies, and, perhaps even the spirits.

The yang practice, on the other hand, is more analytical and proactive. It revolves around understanding the Yijing (易經) “changes of the world,” represented by yin and yang’s intricate layers. “And when you understand the situation, you try to make a change towards a good yin and yang situation you want,” Serge said, invoking the ancient text of the Yijing and its concept of changing lines, or gua (卦), to modify circumstances in one’s favor.

Such teachings might seem unbelievable to many, but in Serge’s eyes, they are as real and applicable as martial arts. His words paint a picture of a practice that isn’t just about physical discipline but also about perceiving and influencing the subtle energies of the universe – a glimpse into the mystic side of the Taoist tradition.

The Limitations & Realistic Nature Of Taoist Magic

Serge’s view on the limitations of Taoist magic grounded our discussion in a profound sense of realism. He contended that the biggest constraint isn’t in the practice itself but in our fantasies, our preconceived notions about magic, often informed by pop culture. “We will not be waving a wand and have any change come before us,” he said, dispelling the allure of instant magical transformations.

According to Serge, the true effectiveness of Taoist magic hinges on an individual’s genuine understanding of their current situation and a truthful desire for the new situation. “If I understand my real situation, and I really want this new situation…then the changes can be pretty strong.” It’s not a shortcut to a wish fulfillment but a process that demands introspection, truthfulness, and patience.

Serge’s frank admission that “these changes will take time” is a sober reminder that Taoist magic isn’t an easy escape or a quick fix. He conceded that individuals might feel disillusioned if they don’t see immediate results, and therein lies another limitation – managing one’s expectations and separating fantasy from reality.

Far from being a mystical cheat code, Serge’s conception of Taoist magic is a transformative journey that insists on self-awareness, time, and real effort. His perspective is both humbling and empowering.

Overcoming Fear & Self-discovery In The Modern World

In an age where technology gives us unprecedented convenience, Serge and I found common ground. We both understand that it’s created an almost dystopian paradox. “We’re the same people that existed in the last ice age… our bodies have the same need for physical activity, but today it’s possible to not even have to get out of bed,” I mused, reflecting on the stark contrast between our ancestors and the digitally-driven world we live in now.

Serge’s views on fear in today’s society hit home. “The second big thing of today’s world is that you have so much fear. People are afraid of everything… If you do something, it’s judged… everything is about outside.” He critiqued how public perception, powered by social media, shapes our realities and the constant fear of judgment it engenders.

Serge advocates for a return to self, something he believes is facilitated through martial arts, meditation, and energy cultivation. He expressed the difficulty in battling the societal shift towards ‘a circus’ that even affects good teachers who “spend too much time doing videos, showing that they are good.” This outward focus has turned self-discovery into a circus.

The conversation painted a hauntingly realistic portrait of our 21st-century existence, oscillating between technological advancement and primal needs, fear, and the journey inward. It’s a complex dichotomy that only time will resolve, and perhaps, a little Taoist magic.

Martial Arts In The Age Of Technology & The Struggle For Focus

In our conversation, Serge and I navigated the tricky terrain of technology’s impact on martial arts. The ability to connect with knowledge was a clear positive. Serge marveled, “We live in a beautiful time for this; you have access to everything.” But he also warned of a ‘choice paradox.’ “The more you have choices, the less you do,” he said, highlighting a dilemma we can all identify with.

Serge’s lament about the modern-day incapacity to focus particularly resonated with me. He described his teaching experience in Hong Kong as dealing with a “laboratory of unfocus.” Students, eager to hop onto their phones after a single attempt, were unable to immerse themselves in the exercise fully. Serge’s approach to preserving quality in the face of so much digital distraction was inspiring. “We want to keep the quality,” he emphasized. “We really need to give a possibility to people to go back and look within.”

The peril of YouTube wisdom was another pressing concern for Serge. It fuels an illusion of mastery, cheapens genuine effort, and fosters what he called a “vomit culture,” where an individual just barely tastes something before spitting it back out for the next person. This frank critique was sobering, underscoring the need for meaningful engagement in martial arts, something that can’t be found in quick online tutorials or deceptive claims of instant mastery. It was an essential reminder in our digitized age.

Taoist Dream Yoga: Exploring The Depths Of The Subconscious Through Lucid Dreaming

Navigating the esoteric corners of Daxuan, I asked Serge about the confluence of technology and the ancient arts. He admitted that modern tech, like iPads, has advantages, especially for training with Taoist talismans or fú (符).

However, he didn’t shy away from acknowledging how our attachment to screens disrupts sleep and makes practices like night-time meditation and lucid dreaming challenging.

That brought us to a captivating discussion on Taoist dream yoga, or shuigong (睡功). Serge explained, “One is the lucid dream training which is being awakened consciously in your dream, staying in your sleeping mode.” He shared how lucid dreaming could go beyond mere dreaming to a state where we have control, similar to our waking state.

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Serge spoke of a technique called ‘thickening the dream,’ which allows dreamers to sustain their awareness within the dream and engage in practices that wouldn’t be feasible in a state of waking consciousness. As we delved deeper, he touched upon the surreal idea of practicing dying in dreams—a thought-provoking concept that left me reflecting on the limitless possibilities of the mind. Toying with mortality in a dreamscape, it appears, is just another day at the ‘office’ for Serge.

Lucid Dreaming As A Transformative Journey Into The Subconscious

Curious about more specifics, I probed Serge further about the exercises one might undertake during lucid dreaming. He ventured into the metaphysical, painting a mesmerizing picture. According to Serge, our dreams are more than just figments of our imagination—they are keys to our subconscious, heritage, and understanding of self.

“One of the big exercises,” Serge began, “is really about everything we carry in our genetics, education, family, family history, and even the place where you are born.” He described a unique practice of gazing into a mirror or water in the dream realm. “When you do this,” he said, “which is very difficult when you dream to stay focused on the image…you will see an image that is very much linked to what you feel about yourself.”

In this surreal setting, one’s reflection reveals more than physical attributes—it unearths the depths of our identities, manifesting our thoughts and feelings about ourselves in cryptic imagery. The exercise goes beyond self-contemplation. Serge detailed the profound experience of saying or writing your name in a dream and how the echo or feedback can produce “some pretty freaky stuff.”

As I grappled with these mind-bending concepts, I found myself drawn deeper into the enigmatic world of Daxuan and the power of lucid dreaming. Even in this digital age, the ancient art can offer intriguing insights into our identities. A mirror within a dream can reflect our deepest selves more vividly than any real-world counterpart.

The Five Minds

During our discussion, Serge shed more light on the complexity of the human mind, unraveling the esoteric concept of the wuxin (五心), or “five minds.” He stated, “One is the actual consciousness, one is part of feeling the body and the limits in the sky in space. One is more of the spirit, and one is more of the ego. One is more of a capacity for your mind actually to go into action.” These aspects, Serge suggested, can all be explored and awakened through lucid dreaming.

With a series of 64 exercises, practitioners embark on a journey that involves opening “eight different doors” in their dream practice. These doors lead to a deep exploration of our mental capabilities, spiritual understanding, and ego state. 

The Risks of Taoist Dream Yoga

However, Serge cautioned that lucid dreaming is vitality-draining and requires robust qigong (氣功) or neigong (內功) vitality exercises. “The problem of lucid dreaming is that it’s very vitality-consuming. You need to have very good Qigong, neigong, and vitality exercises. If not, you will be very tired.”

I was curious about how often this practice was undertaken and if it was part of a routine sleep process or reserved for special instances. In Serge’s lineage, he mentioned some students are dedicated to daily dream practice, while others dabble more sporadically. For some, it’s a tool to tap into during major life cycles “because you may have more information for you, your family, and the world.”

Regarding risks, Serge assured me there were none, save for fatigue, if the practice was overdone without the proper energy exercises. He said, “The only thing is that you feel tired. If you really force into it, and you don’t find the right ways, you tend to really feel tired.” Nonetheless, this exploration of our subconscious minds promises a voyage into the deepest parts of our being—a trip that seems as exhilarating as it is enlightening.

Foundational Elements & Neidan Practices In Daxuan Training

As our conversation continued, Serge painted a clearer picture of the practical beginnings of Daxuan Taoist training. The first steps, he explained, involve three sets of basic exercises. “The first one is really for everybody. The second one starts to be a little intricate. The third one is mostly with the lower part of the body.”

Alongside these physical drills, Serge’s students are introduced to fundamental neidan practices (內丹)—cultivating the internal elixir, heeding the center of their being, and honing their awareness of the dantian (丹田 pinyin:dāntián), a potent point in Daoist internal alchemy.

Sitting immobile is another basic practice. As Serge candidly put it, it’s a way of realizing, “It’s not home [yet]… you don’t know what happens in your head.” In other words, we have much to discover about our own minds.

Serge Augier shows some Daxuan

In this modern age, however, only some have the luxury of abundant time. Serge seemed sympathetic to this reality, noting that the amount of training varies between individuals. Thanks to online options, students can access a wealth of information and training as their schedule allows. As Serge put it, “We have very clear cases where we can do a little, middle, or a lot of training… if they have time to train, let’s train.”

Serge’s emphasis on accommodating students of varying time commitments underscores his understanding of the modern student’s dilemma—balancing tradition and modernity, inner exploration, and real world demands and responsibilities. It’s a pragmatic approach to spiritual cultivation that perfectly harmonizes with our hectic, digital-age lifestyles.

Ancient Solutions For Modern Problems

The Illusion of Time Saved

As our dialogue unfolded, Serge and I delved into one of the most pressing challenges of our time—how modern technology, despite its promises of saving time, often leaves us feeling more overwhelmed and disconnected than ever before. 

Drawing on mundane examples, I mentioned how appliances like dishwashers, far from saving time, merely save us calories while keeping us distant from life’s most basic tasks. The same goes for smartphones—our constant sources of distraction. “Technology has sort of sold us this lie it’s going to save us time. But really, it’s taken up all of our time compared to 100 years ago,” I mused, recalling a simpler time when the setting sun marked the end of work, leaving ample time for introspection and leisurely pursuits.

Minimum Viable Time for Training

Confronting this issue of time scarcity, I asked Serge about the minimum viable amount of time one would need to dedicate to training. Serge’s response was grounded in Taoist medical theory— nearly 30 minutes, the shortest cycle of energy circulation. “If I do energy work for less than half an hour, I will have awakened my energy, but it is nothing,” he explained. But going beyond that half-hour mark meant a total system integration of the practiced information.

For those truly committed to internal transformation—whether it’s changing the mind or transforming the tendons and fasciae—Serge recommends 90 minutes, divided into three 30 minute blocks of focused training. He noted, “This is the beginning of internal alchemy.”

Technology Is A Good Servant, But A Poor Master

Beyond prescribing minimum training time, Serge offered tangible solutions for overcoming our enslavement to technology, starting with turning off all notifications. “This is the biggest evil, the notification… completely turn off notifications!” he urged.

Serge emphasized the importance of structuring one’s day, incorporating downtime for necessary distractions but within limits. Most importantly, he urged us to reclaim our dominion over our devices. “I do not let my phone call me. I use my phone because it’s my machine. I’m not the phone’s machine,” he declared.

If followed diligently, Serge promises that these lifestyle adjustments can precipitate significant personal transformation within a month. His suggestions underscore the necessity of finding a balanced, harmonious relationship with technology in our quest for spiritual growth and self-improvement.

Discipline: The Core of the Path

As we were winding down our in-depth dialogue, I probed into a topic I feel is often neglected – discipline. “That’s really what discipline comes down to, setting limits for yourself that you stay within,” I posited, pondering that technology influences our attention spans and time management. Serge agreed, referencing centuries-old Taoist writings that glorify discipline as a transformative force available to everyone, requiring no formal training. “Discipline is available to you right now. Just do it,” he emphasized.

Learning More about Daoism

The conversation veered to Serge’s educational pursuits and how interested individuals can engage further with his work. He candidly admitted that he’d initially kept his school closed off, yet his view had evolved. Now, he recommends those interested in his teachings to visit his websites – https://sergeaugier.com/ and https://daxuan.fr – and partake in his online courses. Moreover, for those still unsure, he has developed a completely free website, https://daxuanforall.com/, offering everyone a comprehensive Taoist training program. For Serge, it’s less about business and more about benefiting those who participate. 

However, he recommended following the provided links for application procedures regarding university programs. I promised to look into it myself and encourage my two sons to explore this wealth of knowledge – especially since they are interested in lucid dreaming.

Timeless Wisdom in Traditional Literature

The final piece of our conversation delved into literature. Serge surprised me by suggesting his students read classical literature instead of martial arts or meditation books. “They talk about the tradition of being a human being. Like real, old big books from the classics, because in fact, this will bring you a lot more focus and capacity for reading,” he explained.

This emphasis on classics didn’t stem from a dismissal of martial arts or meditation but from a broader perspective on personal growth. He believed these timeless works could help students transform their minds and deepen their understanding of the human experience.

 Reflections and Farewells

As we neared the end, I asked Serge what he wished he’d known earlier in his journey. His answer circled back to our discussions on discipline and teaching. He admitted that he had spent much time trying to convince his students and push them along, which wasn’t effective. This realization has since allowed him to take a step back, provide guidance, and leave the onus on his students to execute, embodying the essence of the “door” metaphor central to Daoism.

After a thought-provoking exchange, we brought our dialogue to a close. Serge’s insights and teachings resonated deeply with me, and I was convinced that our readers would feel the same. His perspective on discipline, time management, personal growth, and education, all underpinned by the profound philosophy of Daoism, was compelling. As we signed off, I couldn’t help but feel that we had barely scratched the surface of the wealth of knowledge Serge held. However, I was hopeful that this initial engagement would lead our readers to delve further into his teachings.

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I Liq Chuan Instructor Ashe Higgs

Ashe Higgs, I Liq Chuan Master Instructor & L2 Nutrition Coach

Ashe is a highly skilled martial arts instructor and certified nutrition coach with over two decades of experience in the field. He holds a Master Instructor certification in I Liq Chuan under Sam FS Chin, making him one of only several individuals worldwide to hold the title. He has taught classes and workshops worldwide and is passionate about helping others achieve their fitness and wellness goals.

With a background in full-contact fighting and a Level 2 certification from Precision Nutrition in nutrition coaching, Ashe is a well-rounded expert in the fields of martial arts. In addition to his expertise, he has a wealth of experience in teaching and mentoring others. He has a natural ability to connect with his students and inspire them to reach their full potential.

Read more about Ashe here…

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Xingyiquan With Alex Kozma

Alex Kozma’s Journey into Chinese Martial Arts

Few will forge a journey quite as distinctive as Alex Kozma in the crucible of the martial arts world. With a lifetime dedication that stretches back to his teenage years, Kozma, a practitioner of Xingyiquan and Baguazhang, has taken strides across continents and cultures, leaving indelible footprints in the shifting sands of martial arts knowledge.

Alex Kozma is a dedicated practitioner and teacher of Song Family Xingyiquan 宋家形意拳, among other martial arts. Alex’s mastery of Song Family Xingyiquan goes far beyond physical technique – he embodies the philosophy that is woven deeply into its heritage.

He channels his knowledge through his movements and teachings, providing a doorway into the mysterious world of traditional martial arts. His grasp of Xingyiquan’s intricate dance between energy and form brings to life a martial art that is increasingly becoming lost to the annals of history.

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Song Family Xingyiquan traces its lineage back to Song Shirong, one of the renowned Song brothers, who championed Xingyiquan in the late Qing Dynasty. The style is art and discipline, designed to awaken and cultivate the practitioner’s inner power. It emphasizes both the external movements and the internal energy, creating a holistic practice that nurtures the mind and the body.

In contributing to the martial arts narrative, Kozma has authored several books, each a milestone in his journey. Yet, the path is never-ending, every book, he says, becoming “out of date” as soon as it’s written, a testament to the fluid nature of growth in the martial arts tradition.

Don’t Call Him Master

When asked to introduce himself during the interview, Alex Kozma responded with a humble, down-to-earth perspective that defies the pretentiousness often associated with martial arts experts. Kozma preferred the simple introduction, “Just my name is fine.” This alone captures his modesty, preferring to let his work and passion speak for themselves.

“I practice martial arts. Specifically Xingyi and Bagua, since I was a teenager.” 

Kozma further revealed his humility when he recalled a message from Grandmaster Sam Chin. “When Sifu Sam wrote to me and said, ‘We are interviewing masters,’ I just laughed. Because I’m so far from that, you know.” Despite his deep knowledge and expertise, he refrains from using the title of ‘master,’ positioning himself merely as a diligent practitioner. 

“I teach a few guys because I want to have people to practice with.” His words suggest that he views teaching as a tool for learning, thereby making his engagement with the arts a dynamic, shared experience. 

Kozma mentions his additional pursuit as an author. “And I write books. That’s it. Yeah.” His casual tone underplays the accomplishment yet highlights his desire to contribute to the body of knowledge surrounding his beloved martial arts. 

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An Ever-Evolving Understanding of Xingyiquan & Baguazhang

When asked about his body of work, Alex Kozma revealed that he has authored “seven or eight books,” yet he views each as inherently “out of date” as soon as they are written. “As soon as they’re written, I realized they’re outdated. My thinking now is very different from five or ten years ago.” 

Kozma mentioned his latest book, “Obvious, Hidden and Transformed Power in Xingyiquan and Baguazhang,” which aims to encapsulate his current understanding of those arts. Yet, he quickly remarked, “It’s already out of date because I wrote it about six months ago.” His remark underscores the dynamic nature of martial arts, where knowledge and understanding are ever-evolving. 

Kozma shared his perspective on the ongoing discovery process involved in practicing martial arts: “You discover things, and you realize how much is lacking. You learn something; you see the ability of somebody you train with, and it pulls you forward, right?” His words highlight a sense of humility and curiosity, a constant pursuit of understanding stimulated by the skills and abilities of others.

For Alex, ultimately, his writing serves as a self-reflective process, capturing his understanding at a particular moment in time. “That’s what the writing is, is explaining where I’m at that moment, basically, to myself, and then putting it down in a book.”

Alex & Tai Chi

During the conversation, I asked Alex about his Tai Chi background. Responding to this, Kozma clarified that while he does have some Tai Chi Chuan training, his primary focus remains Xingyi and Bagua.

“Yeah, the Tai Chi Chuan is very limited.” 

He then spoke about his time in Taiwan with a master named Chen Yuensan, who he described as an “exceptionally good fighter.” He was a teacher to the bodyguards of the President.

While Kozma was part of the Tai Chi Chuan morning classes, his primary interest lay in Xingyiquan, Buddhist cultivation, traditional medicine, and Bagua. “I mainly did Tai Chi Chuan with him because I was in the class in the mornings in the early morning.”

a photo of Alex Kozma doing tai chi
Alex Kozma & with Master Chen Yuensan in Taiwan, 1990s

Kozma recalled how he had initially resisted learning Tai Chi Chuan, as he was more inclined towards Xingyi and Bagua. “I kept telling him; I want to do Xingyi and Bagua with you… And he said, ‘Just do the Tai Chi Chuan as well because later you’ll understand how valuable it is.”

In recent years, now in his 50s, Kozma began to truly value the lessons in Tai Chi, practicing it more due to requests from others. “I’ve only started practicing it more because people asked me to learn it.”

Speaking about the specific movements and differentiating between his training under Master Chen Yuensan and the typical Yang or Wu style often seen in the West, he emphasized how the Tai Chi Chuan he learned, emphasizing the bing striking action, differs significantly from most Tai Chi Chuan he’s seen practiced. 

Despite the unique knowledge he has gained from his Tai Chi Chuan training, Kozma made it clear that he does not focus heavily on this martial art: “I don’t do Tai Chi Chuan very much at all.” Instead, he concentrates on Xingyi and Bagua, the arts he first fell in love with. “But mainly Xingy and Bagua. Yeah.” 

Out of Africa

Discussing his background, Alex shares his extraordinary martial arts journey that spanned across continents, cultures, and styles—his time in Asia, specifically Taiwan, stood out prominently. 

Living with the martial arts master Chen Yuensan for about six years in Taiwan, Kozma experienced a culture that held a deep respect for traditional practices. “I lived with Master Chen from 1996 to 2002 on and off… I was in Asia altogether, just over nine years,” he revealed.

Delving into the nuances of this experience, Kozma disclosed the challenging aspects of living with a teacher. “Living with a teacher can sound romantic, but it can be tough, really difficult. But it was great; fantastic experience,” he said.

His martial arts journey, however, began from darker roots. Kozma spent the early part of his life in Africa. Kozma’s family was involved in politics, and they had to suddenly flee back to Britain due to a war. The family’s life was turned upside down, and Kozma found himself in a rough neighborhood, which led to him being severely bullied. This adversity pushed him towards martial arts as a refuge. “I got badly bullied from 12 to about 15-16. My mum put me in a karate school,” Kozma recalled.

His passion for martial arts intensified as he discovered David Carradine’s Kung Fu series and felt an irresistible pull toward Chinese martial art. This led to his first significant trip to Hong Kong when he was just 16, setting him on a path that would define his life. “I knew from a young age, this is it, this is what I want to do,” Kozma confessed.

In his years in Asia, Kozma encountered various martial arts masters, broadening his understanding of the field. One of the most impactful moments was his encounter with a Xingyiquan master, who taught him about ‘neigong’ or internal power, marking a significant turning point in his journey.

Returning to England periodically, Kozma would share his knowledge by teaching martial arts, primarily Bagua and Xingyi, which helped finance his continued travels and training in Asia. “I came back for about two months, every six months, and taught in England… mainly Bagua. Xingyi,” he said.

Exploring Neigong: Unlocking Internal Power in Martial Arts

Our conversation dips into the murky waters of nèigōng (內功) – the ancient Chinese mind-body practice involving movement, breathing, and visualization for the purposes. 

In Chinese martial arts, “internal power” is cultivated through the practice of neigong, which emphasizes the cultivation and use of “qì” (氣) and “jìn” (勁) rather than “lì” (力), or brute force.

Although it’s a contentious subject, roughly speaking, “qi,” or “chi,” represents the life force or the intrinsic energy that animates us – it’s as intimate to our being as breath and, indeed, is closely associated with it.

an artists rendition of Xingyiquan founder Song Shirong.

This concept is mirrored in the Latin “anima,” meaning “breath,” “air,” or “soul.” Qì gives us vitality and breathes life into the physical form.

The ongoing practice of cultivating and directing qi within the body is the goal of neigong. Breath becomes more than the mere exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide; the rhythm stokes the internal fire of qi. The essence of these practices revolves around the synchronization of breath, attention, and movement, orchestrating a harmony that intensifies this life force and helps guide it throughout the body.

The term “qì” is composed of two distinct Chinese characters:

  1. The top character is “qì” (气), a simplified Chinese steam or gas character visually representing the rising vapors. It’s frequently used in Chinese to describe air or gas-like substances.
  2. The bottom character is “mǐ” (米), which translates to rice in English. Rice holds significant cultural importance in Chinese society as a staple food, and its presence here suggests the nourishing and life-sustaining aspects of qì.

In a combined form as “氣,” these two characters symbolize the transformative process: The ‘steam’ rising from ‘cooked rice.’ It describes the vital substance or life force that forms part of everything in existence, akin to breath, air, or energy in English. The visual metaphor of steam rising from cooked rice encapsulates the concept of qì as nourishing, life-giving power, transformed from basic sustenance and dispersed into the atmosphere, much like the body transforms food into energy.

“Jìn” refers to a refined, inherently more potent force produced through proper body alignment and the focused intention of “yì” (意), along with the flow of “qì.”

The wisdom of the Old Masters taught “yì dào, qì dào, lì dào” (意到,氣到,力到), which roughly translates to “where the mind goes, the qi follows, and then the power follows.” However, it’s essential to understand that the “power” mentioned here isn’t raw physical strength (lì) but a refined force (jìn) derived from the harmonious interplay of the mind, breath, and body.

“Aiki” (合気) in Japanese martial arts refers to a form of internal power similar to the Chinese concept. Comprising “ai” (harmony) and “ki” (the Japanese pronunciation of “qi”). It’s about aligning energies for control and redirection with minimal effort.

This underlines the essence of “internal power” as a journey that transcends physical strength to a more intricate coordination of the mind, energy, and body. Mastery of this aspect of martial arts encompasses a lifelong journey of exploration and practice, integrating physical discipline with profound concentration and, ultimately, wisdom. It’s a testament to the depth and complexity of Chinese martial arts philosophy.

Returning to his time with Master Chen, Alex said, “If you ask him a question, you’d get hit or thrown or swept, but not much detail.” He described Master Chen as a brilliant yet mysterious martial arts teacher who shrouded his teachings in obscurity.

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Then Kozma recounts how meeting a Xingyiquan teacher in a park illuminated his understanding. The teacher had him work with a heavy spear on lan 攔, na 拿, quan 圈, zha 紮, the basic Xingyiquan spear techniques, and drilled him in detailed exercises that scrutinized every movement of the body, every joint, and their inter-connection. “What do your hip joints do? What do your shoulder joints do? What does your spine do?” he muses, illustrating the precision that reshaped his martial arts perception.

But it was not just about understanding; it was about doing. “Are you willing to put the hours in?” Kozma challenges, drawing attention to the essence of martial arts. It’s about the breakthroughs after periods of feeling like you don’t understand anything – finding hidden connections after months of practice. It’s about piecing together this intricate puzzle over time.

As our conversation evolves, Kozma finds a way to simplify the intricate complexity of martial arts. “You go from all of this complexity that I had 20 years ago, and now it’s all that’s gone. It’s extremely simple. It’s just one thing,” he says, emphasizing that this ‘one thing’ is so simple it’s beyond explanation.

His words echo my own experiences. It feels familiar, like a mirror reflecting my own martial arts journey. “In the beginning, it was very technical… but then at the end, you realize, oh, it’s all just one thing,” I find myself saying, resonating with Kozma’s narrative.

Kozma drops another piece of wisdom, a sentiment that every martial artist grapples with. “The less we do, the better… we only need one or two things, but those should be good.”

All Paths Lead To The Mountain Top

Amid our discussion, I found myself stepping back, tracing the path of our conversation back to karate, an entry point for so many into martial arts.

I asked Alex if he knew of anyone teaching karate, with roots in Fujian White Crane, with the same insights we discuss as “internal power.”

It was a musing aimed at discovering new masters of these disappearing arts. 

Alex shifted the discussion to Tetsuzan Kuroda, a revered kenjutsu master, and the profound depth he’d observed in Kuroda’s art.

A young Alex Kozma & his acupuncture teacher Eiichi Tanaka

I found myself nodding, remembering glimpses of the same depth in various practitioners from different arts. Alex’s point echoed loud and clear: “It doesn’t matter about Japanese, Indonesian Chinese, it really doesn’t matter. It matters how real the practices you had. That’s not limited to Chinese systems.”

I found myself bringing up what Grandmaster Sam Chin often says: “it doesn’t matter what kind of punch you throw; it’s still just you who punches.” The realization strikes: it doesn’t matter what art you’re practicing; if you engage with it long enough, you uncover universal principles. “We’re sort of all under the same blanket set of rules that are determined by physics and the environment,” I found myself musing.

As Alex built upon this, I couldn’t help but agree with his simple yet profound assertion: “We all have a center…four limbs, which is the same. So how many different ways can there be?” The distinction he drew between arts that damage your body and those that keep it healthy was one I hadn’t thought of before. It was a reminder of the importance of respecting the body in our pursuit of mastery. 

In this dance of words and ideas, the realization struck us both hard and true: art is not what defines us. It’s merely the vehicle, the means to an end. The journey is personal; our lives unfold in every movement, punch, and stance. Our lineage is respected, even revered, but as Alex so eloquently put it, “We are something vast, unlimited.”

As the conversation shifted, I returned to a guiding principle my sifu often shared: “Don’t train the system; use the system to train yourself.” We use these systems to challenge and develop ourselves, becoming more than we thought possible and discovering depths within ourselves we never knew existed.

Neigong Sijing – The Four Classics of Inner Power

The flow of our conversation returned to the subject of neigong when I raised the matter of Alex’s published works. Despite his modest admission that they might be “out of date” by the time of publishing, I found myself reflecting on the enduring value of such records. “Each of them…would still have some value as a snapshot of your understanding then. Right,” I said, finding an unexpected parallel with my own martial arts career.

I recounted my first on-the-road workshop in New Mexico and how the initial wave of nervousness had dissipated the moment I touched hands with the participants. It was a profound realization that even though I wasn’t where I wanted to be, I was far enough along to offer guidance. It occurred to me then that Alex’s books served a similar purpose — they showed a snapshot of his understanding at a given moment and provided a stepping stone for others who might be at a similar point on their path.

Eager to explore this literary avenue, I urged Alex to discuss his books. He introduced a small but valuable volume titled “Neigong for Martial Power: Cultivation and Fighting Strategy of Song Family Xingyiquan.” It was a tome from his years of studying the Song family tradition. It was an interpretation of the ancient martial arts scrolls used as guides by many Northern Chinese martial art schools.

“So Song family Xingyiquan is based on this set of scrolls called the Nèigōngsìjīng 內功四經, four classics of inner power, for inner cultivation.” 

Opening the book, Alex reads aloud, “Real knowledge of neigong requires a thorough understanding of the vessels and channels. You must understand this first, or else you will do yourself harm. It would be like practicing archery without a bow, the Rèn Mài 任脈 (conception channel) in the front and the Dū Mài 督脈 (Governor channel) in the back have a continuous flow of qi running through them. Okay, that’s the opening. A couple of sentences.

So this is a book that many of the great Xingyi Bagua fighters follow; you think, Wow, that’s a very unusual opening for a fighting manual, right? Talking about the channels in the body. But it kind of gives you the… like, in your system, the yin and yang meridian channels that yin and yang system isn’t it is fundamental to doing the practice correctly. If you don’t have that, you’re not doing Zhongxindao or I Liq Chuan. Because you have the Rèn Mài/Dū Mài channel, the yin-yang channels, and you have the center. That is the essence. So this whole book really then goes on and talks about lots of different detail of neigong and fighting strategy and stuff. But that is the very opening, and in the opening is the most important.”

Hindsight’s Wisdom: Lessons Learned and Advice for Martial Artists

Nearing the end of our conversation, I posed a question with a knack for drawing out the most intriguing answers: “What do you wish that you knew then that you know now?” As Alex paused, I couldn’t help but consider my own response to this question.

With hindsight’s clarity, Alex expressed a wish to have focused more on what he now deems essential, a sentiment that resonates with all of us who’ve ever looked back on our past selves. He didn’t delve into specifics but implied that this hindsight applies to people, events, and places alike. “But you cannot do that when you’re going forward,” he reasoned. “You can only see it looking back.”

I pointed out that my intent behind the question was to mine for a “pearl of wisdom” for the next generation. And indeed, Alex provided a gem that took me back to my beginnings. “Really take time to find a teacher, even if it’s years… And when you find the person you really, really, really trust and connect with. Never leave them.” He emphasized that popularity or eloquence didn’t guarantee a good teacher; trust and connection were vital.

Reflecting on his words, the wisdom of his advice hit home – the right teacher isn’t about fame or finesse but about connection and trust. And when you find that person, don’t let go. This, to me, was not just a lesson in martial arts but a life lesson.

I dug for a book recommendation on the tail end of our exchange. “Besides your own, what book have you gifted most often?” I invited Alex to share something that might further enlighten our fellow martial artists or anyone on a personal journey.

With a glance toward a nearby bookshelf, he grabbed a tome titled “Great Disciples of the Buddha: Their Lives, Their Works, Their Legacy.” As he held up the book, I couldn’t help but feel intrigued. I was familiar with the series, but this specific volume had yet to find its way onto my radar before now. 

“Before I didn’t understand, really, how amazingly accomplished the disciples were, but this is brilliant. Yeah, I recommend this to everybody,” Alex enthusiastically endorsed, his eyes dancing with the excitement that a good book often sparks.

Reflecting on this suggestion, I was reminded once again of the depth of our art and its intersection with broader philosophical and spiritual teachings. Alex’s recommendation wasn’t just about martial arts. Still, it offers wisdom for anyone committed to personal growth and discovery. It left me eager to explore this book myself, to seek what enlightenment it might hold for me as a martial artist and a human being.

Conclusion

Encapsulating a journey as varied and rich as Alex Kozma’s can seem overwhelming, but when you break it down, the essence of his life’s work emerges. Kozma’s dedication, as solid as the martial arts forms he practices, is both humble and profound at once.

Much like myself, Kozma teaches martial arts not for self-aggrandizement but to share in the mutual growth that the art offers. His teachings are from the essence of his journey, spanning continents and cultures, and the rich wisdom accumulated from experiences like living with the renowned martial arts master Chen Yuensan in Taiwan.

His exploration embodies his commitment to discipline and the unending pursuit of understanding. It speaks to the passion that pushes him through periods of confusion and uncertainty to reach the other side, where knowledge shines brighter.

As our conversation winds down, the essence of Kozma’s wisdom remains – martial arts is a dynamic journey, not a destination. It’s a continuous process of learning, evolving, and growing. As Kozma would tell you, “Never stop practicing, never stop learning.” His journey stands testament to this timeless wisdom, an inspiration to those stepping onto the mat for the first time and those of us continuing our own martial arts journey.

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For those captivated by Alex Kozma’s profound wisdom and intrigued by his approach to martial arts, you’re in luck. Alex runs a website, lineofintent.com, which he began two decades ago initially as a platform to publish books. In addition to his publications, you’ll also find 12-week video and audio courses offering teachings in Neigong, Buddhist practice, Xingyi, Bagua, and more. You can also connect with Alex via email at lineofintent[AT]gmail.com and visit his YouTube channel. It’s an invitation open to all; whether you’re a curious novice or a seasoned martial artist, you’re sure to find something valuable in Alex’s “digital dojo.”

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I Liq Chuan Instructor Ashe Higgs

Ashe Higgs, I Liq Chuan Master Instructor & L2 Nutrition Coach

Ashe is a highly skilled martial arts instructor and certified nutrition coach with over two decades of experience in the field. He holds a Master Instructor certification in I Liq Chuan under Sam FS Chin, making him one of only several individuals worldwide to hold the title. He has taught classes and workshops worldwide and is passionate about helping others achieve their fitness and wellness goals.

With a background in full-contact fighting and a Level 2 certification from Precision Nutrition in nutrition coaching, Ashe is a well-rounded expert in the fields of martial arts. In addition to his expertise, he has a wealth of experience in teaching and mentoring others. He has a natural ability to connect with his students and inspire them to reach their full potential.

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Exploring Koryū With Ellis Amdur

Introduction

Join me on a remarkable journey through the enchanting martial arts career of Ellis Amdur. From his humble beginnings with backyard karate to mastering multiple styles of Koryū, Amdur’s personal and professional life has been shaped by his deep fascination with martial arts. 

His experiences across multiple disciplines offer unique insights into both the esoteric and practical realms of martial arts. Dive into the world of Koryū and discover its relevance to real-world scenarios through Ellis Amdur’s captivating narrative.

Ellis Amdur

Ellis’s journey began like many others, born out of defeat. As he puts it, he was “like a lot of people [who] lost a fight and started with backyard karate.” This initial brush with martial arts sparked a fascination that would shape the future course of his life.

His first brush with Kung Fu was when he found himself training with an offshoot of Alan Lee, a pioneering instructor of Chinese martial arts on the east coast who opened the discipline to non-Chinese individuals.

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Author and Koryū master instructor Ellis Amdur

However, his journey was just beginning. Ellis was drawn to an Aikido dojo, stating that he “really got interested in Japanese martial arts.” He appreciated their “clean lines” and became “really fascinated with Aikido.” At one point, Ellis found himself living in the famous Bond Street dojo in New York after college and eventually relocated to Japan to continue his training. Ellis found Aikido “fascinating” due to its “intersection of modernity and tradition” and the culture of a “hodgepodge of sort of Neo-Shinto spiritual mania.”

In 1976, his path led him to Araki-ryū 荒木流, a Koryū. The term “koryū” (古流) describes traditional Japanese martial arts established before the Meiji Restoration in 1867. 

– 古 (Ko), which means “old” or “ancient.”
– 流 (Ryu), which means “school” or “style.” 

Thus, “Koryū” is translated to “ancient school” or “old style,” referring to the classical martial arts of Japan.

Araki-ryū was intriguing for its no-nonsense, close-quarter fighting: a blend of weapons and hand-to-hand combat. Ellis remarked, “To put it one way… it kind of taps into a feral mindset. It’s very violent. It’s violent in its mindset and very practical with its techniques.”

Amdur described his Araki-ryū teacher as an enigmatic and difficult man who, as a result, only had a few students. However, he immediately recognized Ellis’s unique character; his teacher once told him: “When we met, I looked in your eyes, and I saw you are a strange American. And I’m a strange Japanese, so I thought having you around might be interesting.” 

Two years later, he started learning Tenshin-Bukō-ryū 天真武甲流兵法 with his (then) wife, under a 60-year-old Japanese woman named Nitta Suzuyo. He found transitioning from the violent Araki-ryū to the more formal Tenshin-ryū challenging but rewarding.

His thirst for knowledge didn’t stop there. He expanded his horizons, cross-training in Judo, Chinese martial arts like Xingyiquan and Tongbeiquan, and even Muay Thai. Upon returning to the States, his main interests became internal strength training and Arrestling, a mixed martial art designed specifically for police interactions by Don Gulla. 

Grappling For Law Enforcement

In my conversation with Ellis, I was deeply intrigued by his perspective on law enforcement training. He shed light on a critical aspect – the necessity of specific martial arts techniques tailored for real-world scenarios encountered by police officers. As he elaborated, it’s not about merely fending off someone trying to grab your firearm or dealing with a close-range knife threat. It’s about abiding by “certain rules of engagement,” depending on the immediacy of the threat as well. 

Ellis drove home a crucial point, one that runs contrary to some common perceptions. The idea that every police officer should master Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ), he cautioned, doesn’t hold water. It’s not that BJJ isn’t a valuable discipline – Ellis himself is “grateful for the little bit” he’s learned. However, he emphasized that it isn’t the cure-all solution for law enforcement. Instead, the training should be specific to the “professional role of the law enforcement officer.”

This insight resonated with my awareness of the perspectives shared by individuals like John Lovell from the Warrior Poet Society. John, a former Special Forces operator, echoes the same sentiment. While he loves BJJ, he recognizes that it’s not a one-size-fits-all solution, especially for street interactions or riots. Instead, different skill sets are essential for various scenarios.

Koryū

Ellis’s journey into martial arts is deeply entwined with two aforementioned styles, Araki-ryū and Bukō-ryū. His words evoked the fascinating dichotomy between these two arts, each carrying a unique mindset and philosophy.

Araki-ryū

As we continued our discussion, whenever we returned to the subject of Araki-ryū, a single word sprung to mind: brutal.

Ellis traced the origins of Araki-ryū back to the father of Miyamoto Musashi, lending a unique layer of historical significance to the martial art. Describing the stance as “low to the ground, almost anthropoid,” he explained that everything about Araki-ryū is designed for practical combat, ready for grappling and close-quarter encounters. The grip on a weapon, relaxed and flexible, echoes that of a grappler. “You don’t have these elegant poses,” he affirmed. 

In Araki-ryū, the mindset is deeply rooted in survival. Ellis poignantly described this with a principle conveyed through the ‘Sankyoku – 三曲, or three themes’ set of techniques.

two students show Araki-ryu grappling with weapons
Araki-ryu weapons grappling: Leonidas  Gouliotis and Thanassis Bantios

He illustrated: “The first three techniques you learn… Traditionally it was said, “sankyoku san nen 三曲三年,” which means “three years of this” (more metaphor than fact); [in Japanese martial arts] they will have what is called Kuden 口伝 (oral teaching).

[But] sometimes the techniques are written beside the name on the scroll. For example, the scrolls state, “This is how you defeat a superior swordsman.” So right here, you understand this is not a dueling system. 

You approach the teacher with a tray in your hand with a cup on top. And as they reach forward to take the cup, you either grab them and do some terrible to them or pull out a concealed knife and stab and kill them.” 

He elaborated on the inherent harshness and relentless pursuit of survival in Araki-ryū, stressing that the practitioner must sincerely welcome their opponent while harboring the intent of killing them. 

However, there’s also a balance in Araki-ryū’s philosophy. Ellis explained that while one must be fully committed to an attack, one must always have an element of reserve. If the initial attack fails, they must flow seamlessly into the next move without hesitation. “I want to be 100% committed. And yet I’ve got this other side in reserve,” Ellis elucidated.

This readiness to change is echoed in my training with I Liq Chuan, in which we stress the “balance of six directions” and cultivating relaxation yet remaining alert and ready.

Bukō-ryū

On the other hand, Bukō-ryū carries a contrasting aura – aggressive yet elegant. Its primary weapon, the Kagitsuki naginata, a long pole with a curved blade, echoes this philosophy. Ellis emphasized the fluid and decisive movements of Bukō-ryū develop an impeccable management of timing and distance: “The philosophy of Bukō-ryū is you move in such a way that you’re never going to get body fluids on you when you cut the person. So you don’t want to close with them; you’re always sidestepping.”

He confessed to having a “schizophrenic task” in maintaining these two martial arts disciplines simultaneously. Due to their divergence in physical organization and mindset, Ellis had to ensure they stayed separate during training out of respect for his teachers. “I had to keep them absolutely separate. And that was very difficult for me to do,” Ellis admitted.

“Now, if I’m doing freestyle, sparring, or whatever, things naturally merge, but when I’m training, I keep them absolutely apart.”

Ellis Amdur demonstrate ko-ryu techniques with a student
Ellis demonstrates with a student.

Jibengong

When Ellis and I dug deeper into the subject of martial arts, I asked about ‘jibengong 基本功,’ which refers to foundational training in Kung Fu. 

He mentioned, “Most Japanese classical arts abandoned it.” Ellis feels these basic training elements once existed but were largely forgotten over time. Instead, individuals were expected to learn just by practicing ‘kata’ or pattern drills and “gradually absorbing” the correct mechanics.

Ellis shared an intriguing perspective on learning, suggesting that using our ‘mirror neurons’ is one way we might understand and develop complex movements. But in his eyes, this wasn’t sufficient. He said, “But the fact is, there was basic training, most of which got abandoned. And I honestly had to devise those myself, and I adopted stuff [from kung fu].”

In his quest to understand and master martial arts, Ellis began integrating training methods he encountered in other disciplines. For example, he mentioned using “pole shaking” from Xingyi and something similar to chán sī jìn 纏絲勁, or “silk reeling” when nothing was provided to him in his training other than “just cut with the weapon.”

He had also written a book, ‘Hidden In Plain Sight, Esoteric Power Training And Japanese Martial Arts,’ where he sought to trace the influence of Chinese martial arts on Japanese martial arts while highlighting the forgotten importance of jibengong. 

He made a point that resonated with me, stating, “The reality is the basics are the secret, right? You know, the essence of how to develop internal power; it’s in the basics that you learn that you can’t learn that in the heat of pattern drills.”

Another essential point Ellis discussed was the role lifestyle plays in training. First, he said, “One has to recognize how different our lifestyle is, 100 or 200 years ago.” The physicality of daily life in the past naturally prepared people for martial arts training. In contrast, modern living does not provide the same type of physical conditioning. Therefore, we now have to supplement our training to replicate these conditions.

Koryū & Kata

Further into our discussion, Ellis revealed an intriguing aspect of koryū: the emphasis on two-person forms or ‘kata.’ Ellis explained, “Almost all kata are two-person forms.” The only notable exception he mentioned was the ‘Iai,’ or what’s known as ‘fast swords,’ a unique practice involving drawing the sword swiftly from its sheath.” Change to: The only notable exception he mentioned is ‘Iai,’ or what’s known as bakken 抜剣 ‘fast sword’ a unique practice involving drawing the sword swiftly from its sheath. Ellis remarked that this kind of practice was virtually non-existent in other cultures. He asked some experts in European Martial Arts about it. He was told, “There isn’t anything in any literature of fast drawing a weapon to cut people down…because in any duel in European culture, that would be considered a murder, drawing first.” 

This led us to the question – why was such a technique common in Japan? Ellis’s first explanation was quite practical – it was about weapon handling. He compared it to his initial experiences with firearms, saying, “When I first started learning to use a firearm, I was more afraid of mishandling… don’t point the weapon at anybody, all those kinds of things that you have to have, right, where you’ll end up shooting somebody by accident, in this case, cutting yourself by accident.”

The second reason is even more intriguing. Ellis posited that the ‘Iai’ was akin to “silk reeling” and helped train the body’s natural rhythm of “rise-and-fall, open-and-close.” He added, “So, embedded in these fast sword forms, you’ve actually got a way to solo-train basic principles of rise-and-fall, open-and-close. It’s one of those things I call ‘hidden in plain sight.'”

Ellis explained that two-person forms are often misunderstood as merely choreographed combat scenarios. Instead, he proposed they are “platforms where two or three techniques, maybe more, are chained together.” The flow of the kata can be altered and adapted based on the situation. He stressed the importance of training to respond to unexpected moves during the kata practice and avoid ‘training scars’ – instances where a technique leads to a dead end.

Ellis also discussed grappling techniques in ‘Araki-ryū,’ a form of Japanese martial arts. He said, “They basically become platforms where you do the basic form, but then at any moment of the form, the person having the technique applied, they’re going to counter that.” This would lead to a freestyle-like situation where the combatants must respond instinctively to unexpected attacks.

Ninjutsu?

Continuing our conversation, I proposed that Araki-ryū might be characterized more like ninjutsu, or an assassin’s art, rather than a battlefield art. However, Ellis quickly clarified that this would be a mischaracterization. 

He explained, “If there were a ninja, they don’t exist now. They haven’t existed for a long time. And the truth is that what little is known historically about Ninja is that they weren’t combatants, period.” 

Drawing on historical facts, Ellis noted that spies traditionally didn’t engage in physical fights; their central role was to blend in and gather intelligence.

two students show Araki-ryu spear techniques
Araki-ryu Spear:  George Chronopoulos and Thanassis Bantios 

He cited his father’s experience during World War II as an example. Ellis’ father served in the Special Intelligence Service, an illegal branch of the FBI stationed in South America, where he worked undercover and never engaged in physical combat.

Shifting back to Araki-ryū, Ellis clarified that this martial art was indeed a battlefield art. However, it was primarily practiced by foot soldiers, those in the thick of battle, rather than aristocratic fighters. “It’s not elegant. So that would be the proper characterization. The guys who really were doing the work would be doing things like Araki-ryū,” Ellis said. He added, “Guys, like the guys who did Yagyu Shinkage-ryū, for example, those were the guys who told the Araki-ryū guys ‘go there and fight.'”

In short, Ellis clarified that Araki-ryū was practiced by foot soldiers on the battlefield, emphasizing its practical and gritty nature. It was not a martial art practiced by the upper echelons of the military hierarchy. Instead, it was an art for the front-line fighters, the grunts directly engaged in combat.

Traditional Japanese Jujutsu vs. BJJ

Our conversation compared different forms of Jujutsu and their evolution over time. Ellis outlined how traditional Japanese Jujutsu, as we understand it today, is “a shadow of what was there 100 years ago.” He highlighted the role of Kano Jigoro, the founder of judo, who didn’t so much revolutionize the field as he did “rationalize the rules to make a safe freestyle training that everybody could participate in.” Before Kano’s influence, the Jujutsu world was far more brutal and unforgiving. Ellis illustrated this with a hypothetical scenario where a student might challenge a school, an invitation that could result in serious injury.

“I would visit your school and say, you know, “Tanomōu, tanomōu 頼もう, 頼もう, “which means “Please give me a lesson.” That really means you’re challenging the school. Right? You’d invite me in, but you wouldn’t point out that there’s a nail sticking out four boards over; if I fall on that nail, that’s my problem, right?”

From Ellis’s perspective, the techniques of old Japanese Jujutsu were built upon the assumption that everybody already knew how to wrestle “because everybody did Sumo.” But Jujutsu added elements of weaponry and trained for situations where an opponent might pull out a knife. He said, “Japan was an armed society. So, for the most part, you assume people had knives.”

two students demonstrate Tenshin Buko-ryu naginata
Tenshin Buko-ryu naginata: Joaquin Jimenez and Blanca Perez Aguilar

Ellis painted a vivid picture by drawing a contrast with modern Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu (BJJ). If you and I were in a BJJ match and I pulled guard, with you having a concealed knife, I’d be “a dead man.” The same would be true if I took full mount and you pulled out a knife. In Ellis’s opinion, in a world where a weapon could always be involved, some positions and strategies commonly used in BJJ would lead to disastrous results.

He shared how his Araki-ryū students, mainly based in Greece, visit BJJ gyms on open mat nights but only use techniques that help them develop skills against armed opponents, even if that means losing a BJJ match. He also mentioned Chris LeBlanc, a law enforcement officer and a black belt in both judo and BJJ, who constantly trains to minimize exposure to any weapons on his belt.

This part of the conversation revealed the stark differences between various forms of Jujutsu and the considerations that come into play when potential weapons are involved. Ellis reiterated the importance of considering the possibility of an adversary being armed. “You’re gonna [have to] eliminate a lot of things that would be real, comfortable, even fun to do in an unarmed grappling match because they would get you stabbed.” This mindset truly encapsulated Ellis’s experience and a self-defense approach to martial arts.

The Search For Internal Strength Methods

As Ellis and I continued our conversation, he recalled his early encounters with Aikido, which drew him deeply into Japanese martial arts. “I got started with internal strength initially because I thought it was in Aikido, though I didn’t find it,” Ellis confessed. 

The founder of Aikido, according to Ellis, had some aspects of internal power, which he had learned from his practice of Daito-ryu 大東流 under Takeda Sokaku. However, Ellis found the majority of training exercises in modern Aikido too limiting, stating, “Aikido has the problem that most of their training exercises are ‘grab my wrist.'”

In his early years, Ellis had the chance to train under the renowned martial artist Wang Shujin (王樹金). 

Wang was a notable Chinese martial artist known for his mastery of three main styles of Chinese internal martial arts: Baguazhang (Eight Trigram Palm) 八卦掌, Taijiquan (Tai Chi Chuan) 太極拳, and Xingyiquan (Form-Intent Fist) 形意拳.

His teachings emphasized integrating body, mind, and spirit in martial arts practice.

Wang was elderly at this point and obese, which Ellis emphasized was not a flaw. He recalled an instance when Wang, hugged a Kyokushinkai karate champion, and hit him with his belly so forcefully he collapsed at his feet.” (NOTE: strictly speaking, he did xingyi’s bengquan with his belly). This demonstration piqued Ellis’s curiosity and indicated that there was indeed a unique source of unusual power in these ancient martial arts. Yet, Ellis found Wang’s public teachings lacked this element of power training.

However, observing Wang’s personal practice at nearby temples, Ellis noticed that Wang would spend hours performing repetitive movements. Initially, he dismissed these actions as health-building exercises, but he later realized that “that was the jibengong. That was how he built his power.” This revelation made Ellis realize the importance of foundational training, a principle he continues to incorporate into his practice.

Ellis also had a long but sporadic training relationship with Su Dong Chen 蘇東成. 

Like a real-life Rooster Cogburn in John Wayne’s True Grit, Su has gained notoriety throughout the martial arts world as a hard fighter and a hard drinker. Born in Taipei, Taiwan, in 1953 to a Taiwanese father and a Japanese mother, Su was a student of renowned Tangshou Dao instructor Hung I-Hsiang 洪懿祥.

Despite the ups and downs of their relationship, Ellis couldn’t deny Su Dong Chen’s skills. He said, “I would get pissed off at him, and I’d leave for a year or two and come back because he’s brilliant. He’s the only Chinese martial artist I’ve ever known whose free-sparring looks exactly like the forms.”

Neigong

Ellis began exploring techniques to build his internal strength throughout his martial arts journey. He adopted the idea of jin 勁, or “intent-driven, coordinated movement,” and the concept of qi 氣, which involves using the breath to develop connective tissue that can be moved at will. Dāntián 丹田 is another principle he embraced, where the dāntián acts like a “differential gear,” directing the limbs’ coordinated movement.

“Dāntián” is a concept in Chinese philosophy and traditional medicine that refers to the “energy center” of the body. There are generally considered to be three dāntián in the body (upper, middle, and lower).

– 丹 (dān) means “cinnabar” or “red,” often symbolizing vitality or life force.

– 田 (tián) means “field,” symbolizing a place where something is cultivated. 

So, together, “Dāntián” could be thought of as “the field where the life force is cultivated.” Neijia, or “internal” martial arts, such as Tai Chi, Baguazhang, and Xingyiquan, heavily emphasize the cultivation and use of the dāntián. In these practices, the dāntián is seen as the main focal point for internal energy (qi), and movement is often coordinated from this area, leading to increased power and stability.

Intriguingly, Ellis also compared “internal power” to a phenomenon called ‘berserker strength.’ He explained, “I think of it as tapping into Berzerker strength, and berserkers have been misunderstood.” Ellis contended that this type of strength, usually associated with extreme, uncontrollable rage, is a form of a “pure flow state, based on predator mind with nothing getting in the way.” According to Ellis, training your body to handle extreme stress and tapping into the berserker mind could potentially unleash an entirely new level of strength and power.

Ellis’s training now includes a range of exercises to help him cultivate these principles, such as spear shaking and movements using weighted bags. He also uses a CanDo bar, a rubber bar that fights resistance, helping him maintain relaxation and tensile strength simultaneously. Through this methodology, Ellis feels he can incorporate more power and grace into his Japanese martial arts practice without altering the techniques.

Despite his success, Ellis is not out to convince anyone. He stated, “I am not a missionary,” adding that he doesn’t care if others agree with his approach. At 71, Ellis acknowledges that some physical limitations have arisen from long-term injuries. Still, he believes he moves better now than he did 30-40 years ago, which he attributes to his chosen training method.

This part of the conversation underscored Ellis’s long and deeply thoughtful journey through martial arts. It also revealed his personal philosophy – while he respects multiple ways of training, he believes in committing to one path and mastering it. He said, “One has to commit to one, or the other is how I see it.” 

Ellis admits he’s friends with many martial artists who disagree with each other and sometimes engage in heated internet debates. However, he chooses to see the merit in various ways of training, acknowledging that different methodologies can sometimes contradict each other. “I just had to choose one,” he shared, and it’s clear that his chosen approach has served him well.

Regarding his training regimen, Ellis described several techniques he incorporates, all designed to develop internal power and strength. “So I do a lot of spear shaking,” he said, “I do practices where I take a pretty heavy weighted bag, like 40 pounds. And I’m moving it back and forth in different patterns on a tabletop.” 

Despite Ellis’s deep passion and dedication to his chosen martial arts discipline, he reiterated his open-minded approach. He stressed that his path was not the only one, and he was not interested in proselytizing his method to others. “I found that I’ve been able to input this methodology directly into the Japanese martial arts that I train, without any alteration of technique, just a lot more power, a lot more grace.” 

Accomplished Author

Ellis’s diverse background paints the picture of a multifaceted individual – a martial artist, psychologist, consultant, and author. Upon returning to America in 1988, he sought to separate his professional life from his martial arts training. Pursuing a graduate degree in psychology, Ellis found his niche in crisis intervention. He worked with individuals on the edge of society, dealing with severe mental health crises, and used his martial arts training to navigate these situations safely. 

“It was there that I started to apply the psychological principles I learned in martial arts,” Ellis said. “By reversing the principles used to throw somebody off-balance, I could use to read somebody’s character, to get them to a more solid place.”

His crisis intervention work caught the attention of local law enforcement, leading him to develop a training program on communicating with mentally disturbed individuals. This was Ellis’s first step into a broader world of tactical communication training that would serve as a springboard, catapulting him to the national and international levels. He developed training for various professions, including law enforcement, foster families, therapists, probation officers, and business professionals.

This expertise led to a series of books on tactical communication, like “The Thin Blue Lifeline.” Each is tailored to a specific profession. Ellis collaborated with subject matter experts to ensure the books’ relevance and authenticity in their respective fields. 

Additionally, he worked as a consultant with hostage negotiation teams and co-authored two books on scenario training for negotiators. Ellis’s work in this field even caught the attention of the Pentagon, leading to his involvement in the “Good Stranger Project” by DARPA.

However, Ellis’s writing extended beyond professional tactical communication into his passion for martial arts. His three books on the subject delve into various aspects of the discipline, including morality, classical Japanese martial arts traditions, and esoteric training. Ellis was notably one of the first to publish writings on the issue of abuse within martial arts.

But it’s his venture into fiction writing that Ellis describes as what’s “nearest to his heart.” His first novel, “The Girl With The Face of The Moon,” is set in Japan during a transition toward modernity. His subsequent novels continued to explore various themes and settings, drawing from Ellis’s personal experiences and the rich tapestry of human cultures and experiences. 

Ellis also co-wrote a graphic novel, “Cimarronin,” Based on historical events, the story begins in 17th-century Manila, exiled samurai Kitazume, on the verge of suicide, is roped into smuggling a Manchu princess to Mexico by his friend Luis, a rogue Jesuit. Entangled in New Spain’s deadly politics and a secret fight over silver mines, Kitazume seeks redemption by protecting his friends.

Support Ellis’s Work

If you’re interested in diving deeper into Ellis’s work, there are several platforms you can explore: 

Experience Ellis’s Tactical Communication course – The Art and Science of De-Escalation, designed for executive protection professionals. This comprehensive training covers recognizing aggression patterns, developing intuition, and mastering de-escalation tactics. Learn to navigate high-intensity situations and prevent potential attacks. Purchase on Ellis’s website to enhance your conflict resolution skills today.

For his self-published books, the most straightforward way to find them is on Amazon. There, you’ll find a range of his works detailing his extensive knowledge and experience in martial arts.

Ellis also hosts a website for his books, https://edgeworkbooks.com/, where you can browse his published materials and perhaps gain more insights into his writing process and themes.

His other platform, https://kogenbudo.org/, offers a trove of short writings on martial arts penned by Ellis and other martial arts enthusiasts. This site serves as a diverse collection of experiences and perspectives on martial arts.

Among the fascinating articles on kogenbudo.org, one standout piece comes from an enthusiast who’s been on a mission to revive the nearly lost martial arts tradition of the Khevsur, a sword-fighting tribe in the Caucasian mountains. Ellis invites readers to delve into these unique stories and insights to enrich their understanding of the depth and diversity of martial arts worldwide.

Conclusion

In exploring the riveting journey of Ellis Amdur through the spectrum of martial arts, we gain unique insights into the ethos, philosophies, and varied styles of these ancient disciplines. Amdur’s passionate pursuit and dedication have led him through extensive martial arts practices, which have sculpted his life and illuminated the path for many others. 

I’m deeply appreciative of Ellis’s generosity in sharing his experiences and perspectives with me. As I continue this Masters interviews series, I continue to develop new insights into my own path and the broader world of martial arts in general. 

From his deep dive into koryū and cross-training in diverse disciplines to his emphasis on mental strength and practical techniques, Amdur’s experiences underline martial arts’ dynamic and multifaceted world. As we draw this exploration to a close, it becomes clear that the martial arts journey is one of physical prowess and profound wisdom. May Amdur’s journey inspire you to appreciate the rich tapestry of martial arts and its incredible applicability both on and off the mats.

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Preserving the Art of Hop Gar Kung Fu

An Interview with Chris Heintzman

In a world where modern combat sports like MMA and boxing dominate the martial arts scene, there is still a deep appreciation for traditional forms. Enter Chris Heintzman, a practitioner, and teacher of Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu, a combat-oriented Chinese martial art. With an extensive background in full-contact competition and a passion for preserving old-school kung fu, Chris offers a unique perspective on the value of traditional martial arts in developing bodily control, confidence, and awareness. In this interview, we delve into the philosophy behind Tibetan Hop Gar, the importance of pressure testing techniques, and the relevance of traditional martial arts in self-defense and modern combat sports.

Tibetan White Crane 西藏白鶴拳, also known as Bak Hok Pai 白鶴派, is a Chinese martial art rooted in 15th-century Tibetan culture and deeply embedded in southern China. It gained widespread acceptance as a local martial art in Guangdong, Hong Kong, and Macau, eventually spreading worldwide.

Lama Pai 喇嘛派 and Hop Gar Kuen 俠家拳 are closely related branches of the same lineage, originating from the founder’s Lion’s Roar 獅子吼 style. It is important to note that Tibetan White Crane is distinct from Fujian White Crane, which evolved independently within the Southern Shaolin Five Animals tradition.

Tibetan Lama Kung Fu master
Ah Dat To was a Tibetan Lama, the Old Master credited with founding Tibetan White Crane, or Lama Pai.

Chris’s Personal Background & History

Ashe: Chris, can you introduce us to your background and history?

Chris: I started with Grandmaster David Chin of the Tibetan Hop Gar system in Fayetteville in 1994. Previously I had practiced several different martial arts and was looking for a place to train to push my edges. I met Master Chin at his restaurant, the Golden Dragon, and we started training. I took a hiatus for about a year in 1996 to go to massage therapy school and digest the information he taught me. When I came back, we had a very different conversation. We traveled, competed, and learned together, meeting masters like yourself and your teacher. I’m trying to pass on those teachings as best as possible.

Ashe: Sifu Chris is the real deal, with an extensive background in full-contact competition.

Chris: I’ve done several Iron Tiger challenges and San Da competitions. San Da is much bigger in Europe, and I want to help it grow in the States. It’s a good blend for the MMA world and has a great competition set of rules. I was fortunate enough to train hard, have good matches, and learn a lot along the way.

Ashe: I haven’t met many people who I immediately know can fight, but you’re one of them.

Tibetan Hop Gar Grandmaster David Chin & Chris Heintzman
Chris pictured with the late Grandmaster David Chin

Grandmaster David Chin

Ashe: Can you talk more about your late Sifu Grandmaster David Chin? He’s a significant part of Kung Fu history in the United States, like being there for the Wong Jack Man vs. Bruce Lee fight.

Chris: Yeah, Sifu Chin delivered the challenge letter to Bruce Lee and was going to fight. Mar Sik wanted to fight, but Grandmaster Chin decided to do it instead. Wong Jack Man was opening a school, so the community thought it would be good press for him to fight. Sifu Chin was the referee for the fight in a clothing store or something. Don’t believe the movies; They’re lies! 

Ashe: yeah, the story of the fight has grown over time, but it’s still a significant moment in the history of Chinese martial arts in the United States. It’s worth talking about, and it’s fascinating to have a direct connection to the history of Chinese martial arts in the US through you and Grandmaster Chin.

The Philosophy of Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu

Ashe: Can you tell me about the overall philosophy, concepts, and principles behind Tibetan Hop Gar?

Chris: Tibetan White Crane, or Hop Gar, started in Tibet and became popular in Southern China. It was passed down through the 10 Tigers of Canton, which included famous martial artists like Wong Kei-Ying 黄麒英 and Wong Fei Hung 黃飛鴻.

My Sigong, Ng Yim Ming, learned directly from Wong Yan-lam 王隱林 and eventually came to San Francisco in the 1970s. My Sifu, David Chin, had learned some Hop Gar from his father and studied other martial arts before returning to Hop Gar when Sifu Ng arrived.

Sifu Chin always had a question about why his favorite techniques didn’t necessarily end fights. When he started practicing with Sifu Ng again, he learned a very different emphasis on power and striking. He said Hop Gar was like a back pocket knife, always available regardless of your other skills.

Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu

Ashe: Give us an overview of the training approach and the curriculum of Hop Gar.

Chris: Everybody starts with the primary six patterns. First, you learn basic stances like horse, bow-and-arrow, and hang stance. After understanding stance and basic structure, you move into striking. The six patterns are meant to teach people how to box quickly. They’re short, direct, and designed to be applied rapidly. We also work with patterns extensively, walking the length of a field back and forth to grind them into our muscle memory.

In addition to the patterns, students can go into Iron Body, Iron Palm, or train with Mook Yei Pai 木耳牌(wooden ear plates). The dedication and time put into training determine how far a student progresses. Many people quit early because of the hard work and time required to truly understand the training tools.

Hop Gar Kung Fu Forms

Ashe: How many forms exist in the Tibetan Hop Gar system?

Chris: Our Tibetan Hop Gar has five primary forms and six basic patterns. We focus on finding these movements’ essence rather than learning many forms. We believe practicing a few forms deeply is more effective, like how boxers focus on jabs, crosses, hooks, and uppercuts. There are other forms like mook jong forms, wooden ear plate forms, and some weapon forms, but they serve more for conditioning rather than the main focus of our training. So we prioritize presenting only a few forms; instead, we aim to extract the essence from the ones we practice.

Ashe: Can you give us some idea of what the partner training looks like?

Chris: In partner training, we start with empty hand conditioning, focusing on flow and avoiding getting stuck on the opponent. We practice Iron Bridge techniques, hitting through arms and, eventually, the body. We also use pads and mitts for drills and conditioning, then progress to sparring. During sparring, one person emulates a different fighting style, like kickboxing or Muay Thai, so our students get used to what most people throw, which differs from our techniques.

Ashe: I was discussing Wing Chun with Sifu Alex Richter. One of his criticisms was that modern Wing Chun has become too focused on Wing Chun versus Wing Chun, especially in sticky hand training. He believes the original approach was meant to be effective against other styles, not just Wing Chun. So there’s some overlap between what you’re saying and his thoughts on that.

Mook Yei Pai – The Most Unusual Training Tool of Hop Gar Kung Fu

Ashe: What are some of the most common training tools within the Hop Gar system and the most unconventional? Can you tell us about the Mook Yei Pai 木耳牌 or wooden ear plates?

Chris: The easiest way to describe the wooden ear plates is that they are similar to kettlebells but used differently. They help you through the same punches we throw in Hop Gar with an extended weight. The basic pair weighs around 12 pounds each, and their shape creates resistance, helping to stretch everything out. We don’t emphasize snapping in Hop Gar, so the blocks help teach smooth, wave-like power. The wooden ear plates are also difficult to make because of their unique shape, and while there are substitutes, nothing moves the same. It’s unclear who first created these blocks, but they’ve been around for quite some time.

Strength Training – East vs West

Ashe: I was thinking about the differences between the strength and conditioning methods in places like China, India, and Tibet compared to the West. In the West, we usually focus on sagittal plane movements, but in the East, they work more on the frontal and horizontal planes, which help stabilize your center of mass against momentum.

Some examples include Persian Yoga’s sang and meel, Hop Gar’s mook yei pai, and the Gada mace from Indian wrestling. These Eastern methods were designed to prepare fighters for combat when using weapons like swords, shields, and polearms.

In martial arts, we often discuss the role of ego and how practicing martial arts can develop a sense of humility. When we were at the Legends of Kung Fu tournament in Texas, you were leading a workshop on wooden ear plates. You mentioned how important it was to keep our egos in check. It’s common for people to try going too heavy too quickly, which can lead to injuries. That lesson really stuck with me from our time in Texas together.

What Makes Tibetan Hop Gar Unique?

Ashe: What’s one of the unique aspects of the Tibetan Hop Gar system compared to other martial arts?

Chris: The Tibetan origin is unique, as it came from the monks called “dub dub” who protected temples. They trained in martial arts to safeguard the temple and the Buddhist Goddess Shri Devi, considered the goddess of war. The Tibetan Buddhism aspect is still present in Hop Gar, and it’s essential to understand the influence of Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism in Chinese Kung Fu systems.

Tibetan White Crane/Hop Gar, has it’s roots in the 15th-century. It traces its origins to a Tibetan lama named Adatuo (阿達陀), also known as Ah Dat To or the Dai Dat Lama. Adatuo resided in Qinghai province, where he initially learned Tibetan wrestling and joint-locking techniques.

Legend has it that during a meditation session in the wilderness, he witnessed a battle between an ape and a white crane. Inspired by the crane’s evasive movements and the ape’s powerful swinging and grabbing, Adatuo developed a new martial art that combined these elements.

Adatuo named his martial art Lion’s Roar (獅子吼), a term commonly used in Tibetan practices.

The main principles of Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu include:

  • Practical combat orientation.
  • Understanding of both mind and body through the practice of meditation.
  • Structured footwork that makes other techniques feasible.

The style is primarily composed of 12 short hands (six offensive and six defensive), 12 long hands (six offensive and six defensive), and eight sets of forms. Kicks are used but are considered second-line techniques, with the hands being the first. The basic philosophy of the art is expressed in four words:

  • Chan (殘, cán): Ruthlessness – Approach combat with unwavering determination. Weed out opponents completely. Don’t underestimate them.
  • Sim (閃, shǎn): To Evade – Maintain balance and fluidity. Move like a wheel to avoid confrontation. Lateral movements and body angling are key.
  • Chuen (穿, chuān): To Pierce – Exploit transitional moments. Seize opportunities when the opponent extends or withdraws.
  • Jeet (截, jié): To Intercept – Anticipate and stop the enemy’s actions. Softness conquers hardness; strength exploits weaknesses. Judge motives to intercept effectively.

 “Chan” means cruelty or destruction, which many people misunderstand. It’s about ripping up the roots of a problem and the Buddhist concept of destroying the ego. This allows a warrior to execute Kung Fu without hesitation or holding back, as they’ve already accepted their potential death. We’re not trying to make bullies but rather teach practitioners to keep their egos in check and be prepared for any situation.

Ashe: In the Hagakure, the book of the Samurai, they mention that samurai should meditate every day as if they’re already dead, so they can fully commit to the fight.

Going back to the concept of cruelty and uprooting your ego, in traditional Chinese martial arts, they say that being kind to your opponent is cruel to yourself.

There’s a lot to unpack here, and we could discuss it further if you join us again. 

Misconceptions About Hop Gar

Ashe: So, what is the most common misconception about Hop Gar, or some of the most common misconceptions about kung fu in general?

Hop Gar vs. Hung Gar

Chris: I’ll give you one on Hop Gar. The most common misconception about Hop Gar is that it’s Hung Gar! Hung Gar is better known, and the two often get confused. 

Is Hop Gar Effective?

As for kung fu, the most common misconception is that it’s not a valid form of self-protection or boxing. This is due to historical oppression in China and the use of martial arts as a means of making money rather than for actual self-defense. As people got more comfortable and experienced less strife, the need for martial arts diminished, and their effectiveness suffered. This has happened in many other arts as well. However, in inner-city boxing gyms where people struggle to survive, their skills remain valid or improve.

We discussed the importance of pressure testing your techniques earlier. It’s crucial to challenge yourself and improve what you’re doing. Unfortunately, many kung fu schools don’t do this effectively. The Shaolin Temple, for example, has a San Da program mainly used for sports. Still, there needs to be more understanding of how to box with the other forms. This is a problem in many schools around the world. I was fortunate to meet and learn from fighters genuinely interested in combat, but not everyone had that opportunity. If your teacher wasn’t a boxer, it’s difficult for them to teach you how to be one using your kung fu techniques.

Many people end up using basic techniques like jab, cross, hook and kick instead of their kung fu, which seems wasteful given the time and effort put into learning their art. I hope everyone who invests so much time in understanding their kung fu can learn to box with it effectively. That would make me very happy.

Common Beginner Mistakes In Martial Arts

Ashe: What do you think are some of the most common mistakes beginners make when getting involved with martial arts?

Chris: They put way too much speed and power into techniques they don’t understand. That’s the biggest one. Another common mistake is just constantly thinking about “what’s next.” 

Ashe: Can you explain that a bit more?

Chris: People tend to try and go hard, overuse their bodies, and not make the correct shape. They concentrate on power and speed, and then it becomes messy. Slowing down, building the proper form, and gradually increasing speed and muscle are essential. 

People often come into a sweaty gym with a bunch of gorillas and then are expected to take it easy. It’s from a good place; they want to do it well, but eventually, easing up and going a bit slower and smoother will pay off. We have exercises that people can go hard on, but it doesn’t make sense to apply that to boxing most of the time because it results in bad form, which sticks with them.

Ashe: So make it right first and then try to put power on it.

Chris: You need to choose an art that resonates with you and go deep to get the most out of it. This isn’t about sampling a variety of practices and moving on. It’s about finding an art that feels like an extension of your being and then pursuing it wholeheartedly. You also need to find a teacher and a community that supports your practice so that you can continue to grow and develop your skills over time.

Kung Fu In The Modern Era

Ashe: What do you think the value of traditional martial arts is in today’s world of firearms and mixed martial arts?

Chris: Having bodily control, confidence in yourself, and awareness are key in self-defense, regardless of the weapon used. Situational awareness is essential, and ignoring your surroundings, whether on headphones or looking at phones, can lead to dangerous situations. For example, an MMA fighter was hit by a bus he didn’t see coming because he was distracted. Conversely, a kid without a phone saved a busload of children when the driver had a heart attack because the kid was aware of his surroundings and knew how to drive a bit. He was able to save all those other kids because he didn’t have his nose pressed against a screen; he was paying attention to what was happening.

As for the value of traditional martial arts, training in awareness and building physical skills has numerous benefits beyond self-defense. The key to making martial arts training valid in the modern world is to pressure test the techniques consistently. Traditional martial arts form the basis of MMA, and many are a mix of various disciplines. Finding the right fit and practicing deeply is essential. Traditional martial arts are still very valid; it’s all about where and how you learn.

I firmly believe that traditional martial arts have a lot of value in today’s world, even with the advent of firearms and mixed martial arts. Situational awareness is critical, and being able to defend oneself in various situations is essential. My Sifu has always told me that there are three crucial things that make a good Kung Fu practitioner: a hard hand, guts, and training partners. To make our training valid in our current day and age, we constantly pressure test the techniques to ensure they are effective. 

Xiu, Xiaodong

Just look at what Xu Xiaodong was doing on the mainland; I agree that he exposed some weak spots in traditional martial arts that aren’t consistently pressure tested. However, those who were challenged should have known better than to take on a challenger if they hadn’t consistently practiced sparring alongside traditional martial arts.

If Xu were to challenge a practitioner who pressure tests their skills and techniques regularly, he would be in for a real challenge. As someone who’s competed in mixed martial arts, I believe that traditional martial arts, which many MMA disciplines are based on, are still incredibly valid.

Don’t Forget To Breathe

Ashe: If you could go back in time and talk to your younger self as you’re just getting started with martial arts; what do you know now that you wish you knew then?

Chris: I think that I would tell myself to breathe. I took far too long to catch on to the idea of Qigong; I have little kids doing Qigong already! And embracing those words and understanding that they can control their breath and do things with their breath that are so impactful to their life in general, let alone sports performance. As I was coming up, I didn’t realize it till I was much older.

I was at Michigan State University where I was part of a karate club. And we had people from all over the state, and we’d have Friday night fights. And so I realized that I was gassing.

I was amped up and nervous, and I was getting my ass kicked a lot, so “the nerves,” then, on top of that, I was holding my breath and gassing myself. And I just came to this ridiculous realization that I was starving myself. And so I would fight with people and yell out loud, “Breathe!” They’d think I was talking to them, but really, I was just reminding myself.

I didn’t have any Qigong training at that point. So I would tell myself much earlier, “Hey, you’re gonna want to learn how to breathe. Let’s put that as a priority.” In school today, we emphasize it so much because so many people are hypertensive just because they can’t breathe correctly. And so that would be what I know now that I wish I had learned a little earlier.

Ashe: I basically had the same experience!

Finding Flow Through Kung Fu

Ashe: Okay, what book have you gifted most often to fellow martial artists or your students, or what book would you recommend? Doesn’t necessarily have to be a martial arts book, but something that’s going to help people develop themselves.

Chris: Man, I’m terrible at this because there are so many good books. Bone Games is a brilliant story of a runner who gets caught in the mountains late one night.

As he’s coming home, the fog sets in. He loses his way as he climbs down this section where he usually knows where to climb in that, and he gets caught, unable to go up or down. So his choice that he’s left with is to let go, and he falls onto a cliff abutment and passes out for a time when he wakes up.

He realizes he’s injured, maybe not critically, but not great. He needs to get himself down the mountain. The space that he was left in from that fall allows him to, as he described it, he ran down the slope, and he could see the rock falling past him as he was running and breaking this rock apart.

And he did something that he never thought possible for a human, and, you know, went through this experience, and then continues to look for the same space. And though it’s not a martial art book, it’s just such a great reminder of the potential of the human and what we can accomplish if we open our minds to possibility.

No Limits

The only boundary is the number of hours you’re willing to put in. So, that story does an excellent job because he spends the rest of his life looking for that spot through the runner’s high. And he said, “I didn’t find it, I found something close.”

What allowed him to get to that space? Was it head trauma that caused it? Was it, you know, the energetic burst? What was it? So, I liked that book because it’s a fun read.

And it’s instructive of possibility.

Bruce Lee said, “have no limit as limit.” Read more in our article on Bruce Lee’s philosophy.

Ashe: I mean, it sounds like he was in a life-and-death situation. That helped put him into that flow state that everybody talks about, where suddenly you can do something that seems impossible. It’s been there all along. It is just something in the way that is blocking you from it.

Let Go

Chris: In the practice of martial arts, so many people say, “I can’t, I can’t, I can’t, I can’t.” In Tai Chi and Qiong, there’s the idea that most people say song; they just say song, but it’s fan song

So the fan is “release,” and “the song” is relaxed. So how do you get to relax: you let go. That’s what this is suggesting. But most people just say, “song, just relax.”

But I remember Sifu David Chin, we went to a thing, it was a wellness exhibition or a wellness conference, and there was a professor from Harvard at the conference. And he was lecturing on mindfulness and relaxation: “You just have to relax.” And Sifu asked, “You gotta relax? How are you supposed to relax?” 

That’s what this release part is; you let go. You know, talk again about letting go of your ego, let go of your intention, let go of your musculature, you know, you let things hang, you know, he talked about all the structural stuff, something like this, let go, let go, let go and let go of the idea that you can’t, you know, let go of it.

So then all possibilities exist, the Wuji, you know, no limits; that empty space where all possibility exists so that you can create what you think you can. It doesn’t have a boundary.

Connect With Chris

Ashe: Where can people follow up with you if they want to get in touch and see what you’re doing?

Chris: You can follow Seven Star Kung Fu on Instagram @sevenstarkungfu or visit our website, sevenstarkungfuacademy.com, if you’re interested in classes. We’re also on YouTube, so search for my name or David Chin’s, and you’ll find some great videos. And if you’re in Chapel Hill and want to catch a workout, come by!

Ashe: I wish you all the success with your school. You’re keeping the real old-school kung fu alive, and it’s good for all of us. Thank you for your time this morning on behalf of Grandmaster Sam Chin.

Chris: Thank you so much. It’s been great chatting with you.

Conclusion

As someone who has always been interested in martial arts, it was a pleasure to speak with Chris Heintzman and learn more about Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu. Chris’s passion for preserving traditional martial arts and his dedication to teaching his students is truly inspiring. His extensive background in full-contact competition and emphasis on pressure testing techniques highlight the importance of practical application in martial arts.

Through our conversation, I gained a deeper understanding of the philosophy behind Tibetan Hop Gar and its emphasis on developing bodily control, confidence, and awareness. Chris’s emphasis on the importance of awareness training and the value of traditional martial arts in self-defense was enlightening.

Overall, Chris’s insights into the world of martial arts were invaluable. His passion for his craft and commitment to preserving old-school kung fu is admirable. I am grateful for the opportunity to speak with Chris and gain a deeper understanding of the value of traditional martial arts in modern times.

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Hapkido

Join us in our conversation with Hapkido master Mike Dunchok, a seventh-dan ranking expert with 34 years of experience. Mike has delved into the secrets of the Old Masters to refine his martial arts practice. In this discussion, Mike shares his journey in martial arts, beginning with his Hapkido training at age 11, and sheds light on this unique Korean martial art’s history, philosophy, and training approach.

Mike explains how the teachings of the Old Masters have played a crucial role in shaping Hapkido and emphasizes the importance of personal development, discipline, and wisdom in martial arts practice. By integrating the insights of these masters, Hapkido transcends mere self-defense techniques and offers a more profound understanding of human movement and self-awareness.

Mike highlights the significance of qigong and meditation in Hapkido, practices that have been passed down from the Old Masters, as essential components for developing fighting intuition, kinesthetics, and overall performance. As we delve into his insights and advice for beginners in martial arts, Mike encourages consistent practice, commitment, and self-reflection to achieve growth and mastery, guided by the wisdom of the masters who came before us.

Hapkido, or 합기도 in Hnagul
Hapkido is known for it’s joint locks and a walking stick/cane, or ji-pang-ee; 지팡이 in Korean.

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What Is Hapkido – An Interview With Mike Dunchok

Where Did Hapkido Originate?

Ashe: Mike, can you tell us about your background in martial arts and your experience with Hapkido?

Mike: I began training in Hapkido at the age of 11, and I’ve been teaching for 19 years at my school in Irvine, California, located in Orange County. Hapkido is a Korean martial art with roots in Japanese Jiu-jitsu.

Ashe: Can you give us a brief history of Hapkido as a martial art?

Mike: Hapkido is a Korean martial art that combines elements of self-defense, joint locks, and striking techniques. Its origins can be traced back to the early 20th century when Choi Yong-Sool, the founder of Hapkido, returned to Korea after studying Daito-ryu jiujitsu under Takeda Sokaku in Japan. Choi then combined his learnings with various Korean martial arts and philosophies, creating a new and distinct martial art system. Hapkido’s development was further refined by Choi’s students, including Ji Han-Jae and Kim Moo-Hong, who contributed to its expansion and popularization both in Korea and internationally.

Hapkido Vs. Aikido

Ashe: What is the English translation for Hapkido?

Mike: The three Chinese characters for Hapkido (合氣道) translate to “the way of uniting ki” or “the way of moving with chi.” It’s important to note that Hapkido is not the same lineage as Japanese Aikido, despite sharing similar characters.

What Does Hapkido Focus On?

Ashe: Can you provide an overview of Hapkido’s training approach and curriculum structure?

Mike: While I can’t speak for all Hapkido schools, my particular kwan incorporates Chinese martial arts as well. Generally, Hapkido training includes kicking techniques (chak), forms (Jung sayer), break falls, joint locking techniques (Suki), and blocking and stances (mok). Our blocking is more fluid and circular, like that of praying mantis kung fu, rather than the solid blocking seen in karate-based arts.

What Does Hapkido Teach?

Ashe: How does the training progress for a beginner in your Hapkido school, starting from zero experience?

Mike: When beginners start at our Hapkido school, they join regular classes and participate in group activities. These include stretching, break falls (forward rolls, backward rolls, and falling on the side), partner drills, and kicking drills. After participating in these group activities, beginners are introduced to basic techniques specific to their rank, starting with the grappling portion of our curriculum.

Beginners learn wrist escapes, wrist reversal techniques, Sun Mok, basic ki exercises, and other white belt level curriculum elements. Additionally, they learn etiquette, fighting positions, blocks, and weapon training, starting with single straight stick fencing, which is similar to cane fencing. There are about nine levels of curriculum for them to learn before attaining their first-degree black belt. Our school divides the curriculum into hard and soft material, with five subject areas on the soft side of the art and four on the hard side.

Hapkido Belts

Ashe: What is the Hapkido belt system, and how many dan rankings for the Hapkido black belt are there?

Mike: Our belt system includes white, yellow, orange, purple, green, blue, brown, red, and black belts. The highest dan ranking is 10, but only one person can hold the 10th dan;  the founder. The highest attainable rank without being in that position is the 9th dan.

Hapkido Philosophy

Ashe: Can you explain Hapkido’s philosophy, concepts, and principles?

Mike: The philosophy of Hapkido focuses on unified body movement, aiming to execute techniques effectively without relying on strength alone. This concept, called yu won hwa 유원화 in Korean, translates to “flowing circle harmony.” A skilled Hapkido practitioner exhibits a soft and fluid grappling style, becoming more effective when they are relaxed and less focused on generating muscular responses.


Yu Won Hua

유원화 (Yu Won Hwa) is a Korean phrase that can be broken down into three separate parts:

  1. 유 (Yu) – This character represents “flow” or “flowing” in Korean. It suggests a sense of smooth, continuous motion or fluidity.
  2. 원 (Won) – This character represents “circle” or “round” in Korean. Circles are often used to symbolize unity, wholeness, or perfection in various cultures, including Korean culture.
  3. 화 (Hwa) – This character represents “harmony” or “balance” in Korean. It conveys a sense of peace, stability, and balance.

When combined, 유원화 (Yu Won Hwa) represents the concept of “flowing circle harmony.” It could be understood as a harmonious and balanced flow of energy or movement, similar to the idea of the circle of life or the natural cycles of the world. This concept can be found in various aspects of Korean culture. Yu won hua emphasizes the importance of finding balance and harmony in one’s actions, thoughts, and life in general.

The concept shares similarities with Bruce Lee’s famous quote, “Be water, my friend.” Both ideas emphasize the importance of finding balance, harmony, and adaptability in one’s actions and thoughts, drawing from Eastern philosophies like Taoism and Zen Buddhism.

Bruce Lee compared the qualities of water to the ideal state of mind: able to flow, crash, or be still, taking the shape of its container and adjusting to various circumstances.

Both ideas embody the essence of Eastern philosophies, focusing on achieving harmony and balance by embracing change and maintaining a state of fluidity. These concepts inspire us to overcome obstacles and cultivate inner peace by aligning ourselves with the natural rhythms of life.


Hapkido And Taekwondo

Ashe: Why do you think Korean martial arts focus so heavily on kicking?

Mike: It’s difficult to pinpoint an exact reason, but geographical and terrain factors may contribute to the emphasis on kicking in Korean martial arts. Korea is a mountainous region and closer to northern China, where martial arts tend to involve more kicking. There might also be some influence from Northern Chinese Kung Fu. Ultimately, the emphasis on kicking is a characteristic that has developed over time in Korean martial arts.

Ashe: How closely related is Hapkido to Daito-Ryu, and would a Daito-Ryu practitioner recognize the techniques in a Hapkido school?

Mike: Ideally, a Daito-Ryu practitioner should recognize all the techniques in a Hapkido school, and the transition should be seamless. However, some Hapkido schools may have lost or diluted the original concept over time. The best Hapkido schools still preserve the original techniques and principles, eventually aligning with Daito-Ryu’s original method.

What Are The Differences Between Hapkido And Other Martial Arts Like Taekwondo, Karate, Aikido, And Krav Maga?

Ashe: What makes Hapkido unique compared to other martial arts?

Mike: Hapkido’s uniqueness lies in its joint locking techniques and its emphasis on relaxation and emotional detachment during grappling. While Hapkido is a form of jujitsu, it emphasizes an even softer approach. The effectiveness of Hapkido techniques increases when practitioners can be physically and emotionally relaxed, unattached, and spiritually attained. Hapkido can be considered the physical embodiment of Daoism, with its techniques reflecting Daoist philosophy and requiring a release of ego.

Ashe: You think all martial arts paths lead to the same place?

Mike: While different martial arts may have unique characteristics or techniques, at the highest levels, practitioners tend to converge towards a single truth in human movement. Martial arts masters across different disciplines understand the body so well that their movements and techniques begin to look similar. Ultimately, there is a fundamental truth in human movement that transcends the idiosyncrasies of individual martial arts styles.

Hapkido And Aiki

Ashe: Are there specific exercises in Hapkido to develop “aiki” or the “aiki body?”

Mike: In Hapkido, qigong exercises are essential to developing aiki and the aiki body. Practitioners must become proficient in these exercises, which include dan tian breathing, mental relaxation exercises, counting beads for focusing thoughts, the microcosmic orbit, standing like a tree, and grounding exercises. These exercises help practitioners achieve higher levels of skill in Hapkido.

Is Hapkido Legit?

Ashe: What is the most common misconception about Hapkido?

Mike: A common misconception about Hapkido is that soft, yielding movements are ineffective. In reality, these soft movements can capture the momentum of an opponent’s strike, exploiting their commitment of force to turn it against them. These techniques are not only real but highly effective, especially when dealing with multiple attackers, as they allow practitioners to use their opponent’s strength against them.

Advice For Beginners

Choosing A Good School

Ashe: What are some common mistakes beginners make in martial arts?

Mike: Beginners often underestimate the time and effort needed to establish a foundation in martial arts. Consistency and commitment in the initial years are crucial to build basic skills and a solid base. Beginners should train hard and regularly.

When choosing a martial art, consider your goals, motivations, and personal interests. Find a school that teaches techniques honestly, with authenticity, legitimacy, and applicability. Avoid schools that have lost their original inspiration or focus solely on commercial aspects.

Look for a martial arts school that offers personal development, cultivation, and self-improvement elements in addition to physical training. True martial arts should provide confidence in what you’re learning, with applicability behind techniques and forms.

Recognizing A Good School

Ashe: For someone coming in with no experience or reference point in martial arts, what advice would you give them to recognize a good school or teacher?

Mike: It’s true that beginners might struggle to identify legitimate techniques or schools, as they don’t have the background to understand or pressure test them. It’s difficult for me to pinpoint a single element that would help them distinguish between good and bad schools.

Ashe: One recommendation I have is to look at the level of the other students, not just the teacher. If the results are consistent, then the chances are good that it’s worthwhile.

Mike: I am not sure I agree with assessing the teacher’s students; sometimes, even the best teachers may have students who struggle to reach the same level, which makes it hard for beginners to discern the right choice.

Ashe: I think we can also consider the personal development, character building, discipline, and wisdom imparted by the teacher and mirrored in their students. Examine the school’s overall culture, mental and spiritual development, and physical training.

The Power of Qigong For Martial Arts

Ashe: In the context of the 21st century, what do you think provides the biggest return on investment for someone training in martial arts, regardless of their level or style?

Mike: I would say qigong and meditation. They’re often neglected, but they provide incredible benefits when practiced sincerely. Knowing yourself and your body is crucial, particularly in soft martial arts like Hapkido or Jiujitsu. Qigong helps develop that knowledge and improves fighting intuition, kinesthetics, and overall performance. The dividends are beyond reckoning, but unfortunately, few people actually practice it.

Ashe: Right; it’s often the case that what we want and what we need are different things. As my Sifu, Grandmaster Sam Chin, says, “Training is the process of looking into your weakness.” So, focusing on qigong and meditation seems to align with that sentiment. People want to train the stuff that will look cool on Instagram but isn’t necessarily going to help them improve their weaknesses.

The Value of Traditional Martial Arts

Ashe: In modern times, with MMA, firearms, and living in the safest country and period in history, what do you think the value of training in traditional martial arts is?

Mike: If you only train martial arts for the one or two times in your life when you might face a survival or self-defense situation, it’s hard to justify the countless hours of practice. Overemphasis on survivability, practicality, and function can be misplaced. It can’t be the main reason you train. Martial arts is a way to know yourself, and if you apply the confidence and security you develop for that self-defense situation to life in general, you find the real value of martial arts.

Life involves suffering, questioning, doubt, sorrow, and loss. How we face these inevitable situations is determined by our training. Martial arts teach us to move through life gracefully, to face metaphorical challenges to our well-being, and to handle them with skill and grace. Becoming good at physical struggle helps us develop composure and wherewithal to better deal with more abstract struggles.

Time Is Short

Ashe: If you could go back in time and talk to yourself when you were just starting martial arts, what message would you impart to your younger self?

Mike: It might sound cliché, but I would tell myself to train harder. I trained quite hard, but I’m more aware of my mortality and limited time. I’ve devoted over 30 years of my life to martial arts and am content with my progress, but I would’ve devoted even more time, practiced more, and aimed higher. I think many people would say the same, but it’s true.

Mike’s Choices For Best Books

Ashe: What’s the best book on martial arts or a book you’ve gifted most often to martial arts students or friends? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a martial arts book, but one that you think would benefit someone with a dedicated martial arts practice.

Mike: I do give books, and the choice depends on how long I’ve had a student. For my more advanced students, I’ve given certain lesser-known Japanese works, like “Demon Sermon on the Martial Arts” and “The Unfettered Mind.” But for beginners, I start with the Daodejing as it introduces essential concepts in martial arts, especially the soft ones.

Ashe: When you give a beginner the Daodejing, would you provide additional guidance or just hand them a copy and let them explore it themselves? There are many translations, and some are better than others. The closer to the original translation, the more vague the meaning without context.

Mike: You’re right. Although it might not be the most literal or accurate translation, I tend to give them Steven Mitchell’s version, as his background in Zen informs his interpretation, which ties into what I’m teaching them. By the time I’ve given them that book, they’ve experienced how certain techniques work against resistance, and I tie that in with the concepts discussed in the Daodejing.

Connect With Mike

Ashe: So, as we’re wrapping up here, if people want to follow up with you, where can they find out more about you and what you’re doing, and how can they connect with you?

Mike: They can follow me on Instagram, which I imagine is how you found me at Mike Dunchok. I also have a YouTube channel, Master Michael Dunchok Kuk Sool Kwan, which is my Kwan. And if you’re in Orange County, I have my Dojo, Ancient Arts Dojo, in Irvine, South Orange County (https://www.ockoreanmartialarts.com/).

Ashe: Very cool. I want to thank you for your time and for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us. Clearly, you’ve benefited from your martial arts training beyond mere self-defense techniques. It was a real pleasure to connect with you today and listen to your thoughts on martial arts. Before we say goodbye, do you have any last words?

Mike: The most important part is to train hard and consistently.

Conclusion

My enlightening conversation with Hapkido expert Mike Dunchok has provided me with a wealth of knowledge and a deeper understanding of the martial art. I am grateful for the opportunity to learn from Mike’s extensive experience and his dedication to preserving the teachings of the Old Masters.

Mike has illuminated the value of consistent practice and commitment in one’s martial arts journey, as well as the importance of personal development, discipline, and wisdom, which are essential to attaining mastery.

I would like to express my heartfelt gratitude to Mike for sharing his time, expertise, and passion for Hapkido with me. His thoughts have not only broadened my understanding of this unique martial art but have also inspired me to approach my own practice with renewed dedication and mindfulness. As I continue to explore and express myself in martial arts and other disciplines, I will undoubtedly carry the lessons learned from Mike’s experiences and the wisdom of the Old Masters with me, enriching my perspective and shaping my journey towards mastery.

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I Liq Chuan Instructor Ashe Higgs

Ashe Higgs, I Liq Chuan Master Instructor & L2 Nutrition Coach

Ashe is a highly skilled martial arts instructor and certified nutrition coach with over two decades of experience in the field. He holds a Master Instructor certification in I Liq Chuan under Sam FS Chin, making him one of only several individuals worldwide to hold the title. He has taught classes and workshops worldwide and is passionate about helping others achieve their fitness and wellness goals.

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