Preserving the Art of Hop Gar Kung Fu

An Interview with Chris Heintzman

In a world where modern combat sports like MMA and boxing dominate the martial arts scene, there is still a deep appreciation for traditional forms. Enter Chris Heintzman, a practitioner, and teacher of Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu, a combat-oriented Chinese martial art. With an extensive background in full-contact competition and a passion for preserving old-school kung fu, Chris offers a unique perspective on the value of traditional martial arts in developing bodily control, confidence, and awareness. In this interview, we delve into the philosophy behind Tibetan Hop Gar, the importance of pressure testing techniques, and the relevance of traditional martial arts in self-defense and modern combat sports.

Chris’s Personal Background & History

Ashe: Chris, can you introduce us to your background and history?

Chris: I started with Grandmaster David Chin of the Tibetan Hop Gar system in Fayetteville in 1994. Previously I had practiced several different martial arts and was looking for a place to train to push my edges. I met Master Chin at his restaurant, the Golden Dragon, and we started training. I took a hiatus for about a year in 1996 to go to massage therapy school and digest the information he taught me. When I came back, we had a very different conversation. We traveled, competed, and learned together, meeting masters like yourself and your teacher. I’m trying to pass on those teachings as best as possible.

Grandmaster David Chin

Ashe: Can you talk more about your late Sifu Grandmaster David Chin? He’s a significant part of Kung Fu history in the United States, like being there for the Wong Jack Man vs. Bruce Lee fight.

Chris: Yeah, Sifu Chin delivered the challenge letter to Bruce Lee and was going to fight. Mar Sik wanted to fight, but Grandmaster Chin decided to do it instead. Wong Jack Man was opening a school, so the community thought it would be good press for him to fight. Sifu Chin was the referee for the fight in a clothing store or something. Don’t believe the movies; They’re lies! 

Ashe: yeah, the story of the fight has grown over time, but it’s still a significant moment in the history of Chinese martial arts in the United States. It’s worth talking about, and it’s fascinating to have a direct connection to the history of Chinese martial arts in the US through you and Grandmaster Chin.

The Philosophy of Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu

Ashe: Can you tell me about the overall philosophy, concepts, and principles behind Tibetan Hop Gar?

Chris: Tibetan White Crane, or Hop Gar, started in Tibet and became popular in Southern China. It was passed down through the 10 Tigers of Canton, which included famous martial artists like Wong Kei-Ying 黄麒英 and Wong Fei Hung 黃飛鴻.

My Sigong, Ng Yim Ming, learned directly from Wong Yan-lam 王隱林 and eventually came to San Francisco in the 1970s. My Sifu, David Chin, had learned some Hop Gar from his father and studied other martial arts before returning to Hop Gar when Sifu Ng arrived.

Sifu Chin always had a question about why his favorite techniques didn’t necessarily end fights. When he started practicing with Sifu Ng again, he learned a very different emphasis on power and striking. He said Hop Gar was like a back pocket knife, always available regardless of your other skills.

Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu

Ashe: Give us an overview of the training approach and the curriculum of Hop Gar.

Chris: Everybody starts with the primary six patterns. First, you learn basic stances like horse, bow-and-arrow, and hang stance. After understanding stance and basic structure, you move into striking. The six patterns are meant to teach people how to box quickly. They’re short, direct, and designed to be applied rapidly. We also work with patterns extensively, walking the length of a field back and forth to grind them into our muscle memory.

In addition to the patterns, students can go into Iron Body, Iron Palm, or train with Mook Yei Pai 木耳牌(wooden ear plates). The dedication and time put into training determine how far a student progresses. Many people quit early because of the hard work and time required to truly understand the training tools.

Hop Gar Kung Fu Forms

Ashe: How many forms exist in the Tibetan Hop Gar system?

Chris: Our Tibetan Hop Gar has five primary forms and six basic patterns. We focus on finding these movements’ essence rather than learning many forms. We believe practicing a few forms deeply is more effective, like how boxers focus on jabs, crosses, hooks, and uppercuts. There are other forms like mook jong forms, wooden ear plate forms, and some weapon forms, but they serve more for conditioning rather than the main focus of our training. So we prioritize presenting only a few forms; instead, we aim to extract the essence from the ones we practice.

Ashe: Can you give us some idea of what the partner training looks like?

Chris: In partner training, we start with empty hand conditioning, focusing on flow and avoiding getting stuck on the opponent. We practice Iron Bridge techniques, hitting through arms and, eventually, the body. We also use pads and mitts for drills and conditioning, then progress to sparring. During sparring, one person emulates a different fighting style, like kickboxing or Muay Thai, so our students get used to what most people throw, which differs from our techniques.

Ashe: I was discussing Wing Chun with Sifu Alex Richter. One of his criticisms was that modern Wing Chun has become too focused on Wing Chun versus Wing Chun, especially in sticky hand training. He believes the original approach was meant to be effective against other styles, not just Wing Chun. So there’s some overlap between what you’re saying and his thoughts on that.

Mook Yei Pai – The Most Unusual Training Tool of Hop Gar Kung Fu

Ashe: What are some of the most common training tools within the Hop Gar system and the most unconventional? Can you tell us about the Mook Yei Pai 木耳牌 or wooden ear plates?

Chris: The easiest way to describe the wooden ear plates is that they are similar to kettlebells but used differently. They help you through the same punches we throw in Hop Gar with an extended weight. The basic pair weighs around 12 pounds each, and their shape creates resistance, helping to stretch everything out. We don’t emphasize snapping in Hop Gar, so the blocks help teach smooth, wave-like power. The wooden ear plates are also difficult to make because of their unique shape, and while there are substitutes, nothing moves the same. It’s unclear who first created these blocks, but they’ve been around for quite some time.

Strength Training – East vs West

Ashe: I was thinking about the differences between the strength and conditioning methods in places like China, India, and Tibet compared to the West. In the West, we usually focus on sagittal plane movements, but in the East, they work more on the frontal and horizontal planes, which help stabilize your center of mass against momentum.

What Makes Tibetan Hop Gar Unique?

Ashe: What’s one of the unique aspects of the Tibetan Hop Gar system compared to other martial arts?

Chris: The Tibetan origin is unique, as it came from the monks called “dub dub” who protected temples. They trained in martial arts to safeguard the temple and the Buddhist Goddess Shri Devi, considered the goddess of war. The Tibetan Buddhism aspect is still present in Hop Gar, and it’s essential to understand the influence of Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism in Chinese Kung Fu systems.

Tibetan White Crane/Hop Gar, has it’s roots in the 15th-century. It traces its origins to a Tibetan lama named Adatuo (阿達陀), also known as Ah Dat To or the Dai Dat Lama. Adatuo resided in Qinghai province, where he initially learned Tibetan wrestling and joint-locking techniques.

Legend has it that during a meditation session in the wilderness, he witnessed a battle between an ape and a white crane. Inspired by the crane’s evasive movements and the ape’s powerful swinging and grabbing, Adatuo developed a new martial art that combined these elements.

Adatuo named his martial art Lion’s Roar (獅子吼), a term commonly used in Tibetan practices.

The main principles of Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu include:

• Practical combat orientation.
• Understanding of both mind and body through the practice of meditation.
• Structured footwork that makes other techniques feasible.

The style is primarily composed of 12 short hands (six offensive and six defensive), 12 long hands (six offensive and six defensive), and eight sets of forms. Kicks are used but are considered second-line techniques, with the hands being the first. The basic philosophy of the art is expressed in four words:

• Chan (殘, cán): Ruthlessness – Approach combat with unwavering determination. Weed out opponents completely. Don’t underestimate them.
• Sim (閃, shǎn): To Evade – Maintain balance and fluidity. Move like a wheel to avoid confrontation. Lateral movements and body angling are key.
• Chuen (穿, chuān): To Pierce – Exploit transitional moments. Seize opportunities when the opponent extends or withdraws.
• Jeet (截, jié): To Intercept – Anticipate and stop the enemy’s actions. Softness conquers hardness; strength exploits weaknesses. Judge motives to intercept effectively.

 “Chan” means cruelty or destruction, which many people misunderstand. It’s about ripping up the roots of a problem and the Buddhist concept of destroying the ego. This allows a warrior to execute Kung Fu without hesitation or holding back, as they’ve already accepted their potential death. We’re not trying to make bullies but rather teach practitioners to keep their egos in check and be prepared for any situation.

Misconceptions About Hop Gar

Ashe: So, what is the most common misconception about Hop Gar, or some of the most common misconceptions about kung fu in general?

Hop Gar vs. Hung Gar

Chris: I’ll give you one on Hop Gar. The most common misconception about Hop Gar is that it’s Hung Gar! Hung Gar is better known, and the two often get confused. 

Is Hop Gar Effective?

As for kung fu, the most common misconception is that it’s not a valid form of self-protection or boxing. This is due to historical oppression in China and the use of martial arts as a means of making money rather than for actual self-defense. As people got more comfortable and experienced less strife, the need for martial arts diminished, and their effectiveness suffered. This has happened in many other arts as well. However, in inner-city boxing gyms where people struggle to survive, their skills remain valid or improve.

We discussed the importance of pressure testing your techniques earlier. It’s crucial to challenge yourself and improve what you’re doing. Unfortunately, many kung fu schools don’t do this effectively. The Shaolin Temple, for example, has a San Da program mainly used for sports. Still, there needs to be more understanding of how to box with the other forms. This is a problem in many schools around the world. I was fortunate to meet and learn from fighters genuinely interested in combat, but not everyone had that opportunity. If your teacher wasn’t a boxer, it’s difficult for them to teach you how to be one using your kung fu techniques.

Many people end up using basic techniques like jab, cross, hook and kick instead of their kung fu, which seems wasteful given the time and effort put into learning their art. I hope everyone who invests so much time in understanding their kung fu can learn to box with it effectively. That would make me very happy.

Common Beginner Mistakes In Martial Arts

Ashe: What do you think are some of the most common mistakes beginners make when getting involved with martial arts?

Chris: They put way too much speed and power into techniques they don’t understand. That’s the biggest one. Another common mistake is just constantly thinking about “what’s next.” 

Ashe: Can you explain that a bit more?

Chris: People tend to try and go hard, overuse their bodies, and not make the correct shape. They concentrate on power and speed, and then it becomes messy. Slowing down, building the proper form, and gradually increasing speed and muscle are essential. 

People often come into a sweaty gym with a bunch of gorillas and then are expected to take it easy. It’s from a good place; they want to do it well, but eventually, easing up and going a bit slower and smoother will pay off. We have exercises that people can go hard on, but it doesn’t make sense to apply that to boxing most of the time because it results in bad form, which sticks with them.

Ashe: So make it right first and then try to put power on it.

Chris: You need to choose an art that resonates with you and go deep to get the most out of it. This isn’t about sampling a variety of practices and moving on. It’s about finding an art that feels like an extension of your being and then pursuing it wholeheartedly. You also need to find a teacher and a community that supports your practice so that you can continue to grow and develop your skills over time.

Kung Fu In The Modern Era

As for the value of traditional martial arts, training in awareness and building physical skills has numerous benefits beyond self-defense. The key to making martial arts training valid in the modern world is to pressure test the techniques consistently. Traditional martial arts form the basis of MMA, and many are a mix of various disciplines. Finding the right fit and practicing deeply is essential. Traditional martial arts are still very valid; it’s all about where and how you learn.

I firmly believe that traditional martial arts have a lot of value in today’s world, even with the advent of firearms and mixed martial arts. Situational awareness is critical, and being able to defend oneself in various situations is essential. My Sifu has always told me that there are three crucial things that make a good Kung Fu practitioner: a hard hand, guts, and training partners. To make our training valid in our current day and age, we constantly pressure test the techniques to ensure they are effective. 

Xiu, Xiaodong

Just look at what Xu Xiaodong was doing on the mainland; I agree that he exposed some weak spots in traditional martial arts that aren’t consistently pressure tested. However, those who were challenged should have known better than to take on a challenger if they hadn’t consistently practiced sparring alongside traditional martial arts.

If Xu were to challenge a practitioner who pressure tests their skills and techniques regularly, he would be in for a real challenge. As someone who’s competed in mixed martial arts, I believe that traditional martial arts, which many MMA disciplines are based on, are still incredibly valid.

Don’t Forget To Breathe

Ashe: If you could go back in time and talk to your younger self as you’re just getting started with martial arts; what do you know now that you wish you knew then?

Chris: I think that I would tell myself to breathe. I took far too long to catch on to the idea of Qigong; I have little kids doing Qigong already! And embracing those words and understanding that they can control their breath and do things with their breath that are so impactful to their life in general, let alone sports performance. As I was coming up, I didn’t realize it till I was much older.

I was at Michigan State University where I was part of a karate club. And we had people from all over the state, and we’d have Friday night fights. And so I realized that I was gassing.

I was amped up and nervous, and I was getting my ass kicked a lot, so “the nerves,” then, on top of that, I was holding my breath and gassing myself. And I just came to this ridiculous realization that I was starving myself. And so I would fight with people and yell out loud, “Breathe!” They’d think I was talking to them, but really, I was just reminding myself.

I didn’t have any Qigong training at that point. So I would tell myself much earlier, “Hey, you’re gonna want to learn how to breathe. Let’s put that as a priority.” In school today, we emphasize it so much because so many people are hypertensive just because they can’t breathe correctly. And so that would be what I know now that I wish I had learned a little earlier.

Ashe: I basically had the same experience!

Finding Flow Through Kung Fu

Ashe: Okay, what book have you gifted most often to fellow martial artists or your students, or what book would you recommend? Doesn’t necessarily have to be a martial arts book, but something that’s going to help people develop themselves.

He realizes he’s injured, maybe not critically, but not great. He needs to get himself down the mountain. The space that he was left in from that fall allows him to, as he described it, he ran down the slope, and he could see the rock falling past him as he was running and breaking this rock apart.

And he did something that he never thought possible for a human, and, you know, went through this experience, and then continues to look for the same space. And though it’s not a martial art book, it’s just such a great reminder of the potential of the human and what we can accomplish if we open our minds to possibility.

No Limits

Ashe: I mean, it sounds like he was in a life-and-death situation. That helped put him into that flow state that everybody talks about, where suddenly you can do something that seems impossible. It’s been there all along. It is just something in the way that is blocking you from it.

Let Go

Chris: In the practice of martial arts, so many people say, “I can’t, I can’t, I can’t, I can’t.” In Tai Chi and Qiong, there’s the idea that most people say song; they just say song, but it’s fan song. 

So the fan is “release,” and “the song” is relaxed. So how do you get to relax: you let go. That’s what this is suggesting. But most people just say, “song, just relax.”

But I remember Sifu David Chin, we went to a thing, it was a wellness exhibition or a wellness conference, and there was a professor from Harvard at the conference. And he was lecturing on mindfulness and relaxation: “You just have to relax.” And Sifu asked, “You gotta relax? How are you supposed to relax?” 

That’s what this release part is; you let go. You know, talk again about letting go of your ego, let go of your intention, let go of your musculature, you know, you let things hang, you know, he talked about all the structural stuff, something like this, let go, let go, let go and let go of the idea that you can’t, you know, let go of it.

So then all possibilities exist, the Wuji, you know, no limits; that empty space where all possibility exists so that you can create what you think you can. It doesn’t have a boundary.

Connect With Chris

Ashe: Where can people follow up with you if they want to get in touch and see what you’re doing?

Chris: You can follow Seven Star Kung Fu on Instagram @sevenstarkungfu or visit our website, sevenstarkungfuacademy.com, if you’re interested in classes. We’re also on YouTube, so search for my name or David Chin’s, and you’ll find some great videos. And if you’re in Chapel Hill and want to catch a workout, come by!

Ashe: I wish you all the success with your school. You’re keeping the real old-school kung fu alive, and it’s good for all of us. Thank you for your time this morning on behalf of Grandmaster Sam Chin.

Chris: Thank you so much. It’s been great chatting with you.

Conclusion

As someone who has always been interested in martial arts, it was a pleasure to speak with Chris Heintzman and learn more about Tibetan Hop Gar Kung Fu. Chris’s passion for preserving traditional martial arts and his dedication to teaching his students is truly inspiring. His extensive background in full-contact competition and emphasis on pressure testing techniques highlight the importance of practical application in martial arts.

Through our conversation, I gained a deeper understanding of the philosophy behind Tibetan Hop Gar and its emphasis on developing bodily control, confidence, and awareness. Chris’s emphasis on the importance of awareness training and the value of traditional martial arts in self-defense was enlightening.

Overall, Chris’s insights into the world of martial arts were invaluable. His passion for his craft and commitment to preserving old-school kung fu is admirable. I am grateful for the opportunity to speak with Chris and gain a deeper understanding of the value of traditional martial arts in modern times.

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